Language

Wayfarer · 10-16-2001, 05:03 PM

Does anyone else thing that the lack of usable vocabulary in some tolkien languages is highly irritating?

Black speech, for example. Every orcish name I've ever seem is either elvish

or a variation on half a dozen 'real' black speech names.

Another language that I'm really dissapointed with is valarin. I unerstand that it's not used for anything but names [in the books] but it would still be incredibly cool.

Furthermore, languages such as avarin (which has six dialects of one known word each),adunic, and westron have some vocabulary but not nearly enouhg to be useful. I would thouroughly enjoy trying to translate the lotr into westron.

Does anyone else think that a somewhat concerted effort to standardize/add to the various tolkien languages would be a good thing?

Ñólendil · 10-16-2001, 05:27 PM

Sure, I do. It's linguistic fan fiction, isn't it? Tolkien (whatever some purists like to ignore) wanted us to expand upon his Ean works, and since their foundation is language, linguistic expansion seems natural.

Wayfarer · 10-16-2001, 06:18 PM

Huh. I think I'm going to start working on a black speech lexicon, using primitive elvish, sindarin, and quenya roots.

I would also like to try an avari dialect. Mebde incorporating some gaelic?

Ñólendil · 10-16-2001, 07:01 PM

I should have put a 'but it should be done respectfully by people who know what they're doing' rule into my post.

10-16-2001, 05:03 PM	#1
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Language Does anyone else thing that the lack of usable vocabulary in some tolkien languages is highly irritating? Black speech, for example. Every orcish name I've ever seem is either elvish or a variation on half a dozen 'real' black speech names. Another language that I'm really dissapointed with is valarin. I unerstand that it's not used for anything but names [in the books] but it would still be incredibly cool. Furthermore, languages such as avarin (which has six dialects of one known word each),adunic, and westron have some vocabulary but not nearly enouhg to be useful. I would thouroughly enjoy trying to translate the lotr into westron. Does anyone else think that a somewhat concerted effort to standardize/add to the various tolkien languages would be a good thing?

10-16-2001, 05:27 PM	#2
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Sure, I do. It's linguistic fan fiction, isn't it? Tolkien (whatever some purists like to ignore) wanted us to expand upon his Ean works, and since their foundation is language, linguistic expansion seems natural. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

10-16-2001, 07:01 PM	#4
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Point taken. I should have put a 'but it should be done respectfully by people who know what they're doing' rule into my post. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

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10-16-2001, 06:18 PM	#3
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Huh. I think I'm going to start working on a black speech lexicon, using primitive elvish, sindarin, and quenya roots. I would also like to try an avari dialect. Mebde incorporating some gaelic?