Hobbit race

The Wizard from Milan · 02-28-2005, 12:30 AM

I have a very basic question.
Where do Hobbits come from?
We know the origins of all species (elves, men, dwarfs, orcs) but not of Hobbits.
Is it written anywhere in Tolkiens' material? or is it meant to be a mistery?

Lefty Scaevola · 02-28-2005, 12:49 AM

Some sort of varient of humans, I do not recall ever seeing anything about how the arose/differentiated from larger humans. Lots of speculative possibilities tere; make up your own story for them.

Twista · 02-28-2005, 12:54 PM

Yes, desended from men.

There were three different kinds of hobbit race before known as a common one (smeagel was one of these races many years ago).

The process from man to hobbit is not well known I dont think, at least Tolkien didnt go into it at any great detail.

me9996 · 02-28-2005, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Wizard from Milan

I have a very basic question.
Where do Hobbits come from?
We know the origins of all species (elves, men, dwarfs, orcs) but not of Hobbits.
Is it written anywhere in Tolkiens' material? or is it meant to be a mistery?

There what orcs would be if made from dwarfs...

I think

Maybe

Posibly

Radagast The Brown · 02-28-2005, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by me9996

There what orcs would be if made from dwarfs...

I think

Maybe

Posibly

It would make sense, maybe, if Hobbits were evil.. or ugly.. or resemble orcs in any way.

me9996 · 02-28-2005, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radagast The Brown

It would make sense, maybe, if Hobbits were evil.. or ugly.. or resemble orcs in any way.

Nah, they're just increbly diffrent from dwarfs...

Last Child of Ungoliant · 02-28-2005, 06:57 PM

eru
l
_____________________
elves_____________men
_____________l
______________________________________
dark men_____________edain
_____________l
_____________________dunedain-----men of the twilight----hobbits

IIRC

me9996 · 03-01-2005, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Last Child of Ungoliant

eru
l
_____________________
elves_____________men
_____________l
______________________________________
dark men_____________edain
_____________l
_____________________dunedain-----men of the twilight----hobbits

IIRC

Nice...

P.S.
The 90 second rule plages me..

P.P.S.
It does more!

Twista · 03-01-2005, 02:37 PM

Carried on...

Dunedain
|
Men of the twilight
|
Ancient Hobbits
|
Harfoots - Fallohides - Stoors - ( Angle Stoors )
|
Modern Day Hobbits

I made a more detailed one carried on from Chrys's one.

The three bold ones are the old hobbit factions of spoke of. The forth in the brackets is a group of hobbits that stayed in the 'Angle' when the rest of the Stoors moved off.

+edit+ Lcog, the 'center' took works a charm by the way

+edit+

me9996 · 03-01-2005, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twista

Carried on...

Dunedain
|
Men of the twilight
|
Ancient Hobbits
|
Harfoots - Fallohides - Stoors - ( Angle Stoors )
|
Modern Day Hobbits

I made a more detailed one carried on from Chrys's one.

The three bold ones are the old hobbit factions of spoke of. The forth in the brackets is a group of hobbits that stayed in the 'Angle' when the rest of the Stoors moved off.

+edit+ Lcog, the 'center' took works a charm by the way

+edit+

Oh... so that's what thats for...

P.S.
So much for me trying not to get in the way of the 90 second rule...

Twista · 03-02-2005, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by me9996

Oh... so that's what thats for...

What are you talking about?

Does anyone else taste spam?

The Wizard from Milan · 03-02-2005, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twista

Carried on...

Dunedain
|
Men of the twilight
|
Ancient Hobbits
|
Harfoots - Fallohides - Stoors - ( Angle Stoors )
|
Modern Day Hobbits

I made a more detailed one carried on from Chrys's one.

Thanks Chrys and Twista.
May I ask where did you learn this info?

Lefty Scaevola · 03-02-2005, 11:06 PM

It is supposition upon their part. Nor is it well founded. The idea that such a different subspecies would evolve in a few thousand years is right out.

me9996 · 03-03-2005, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twista

What are you talking about?

Does anyone else taste spam?

Nah, I was just com-enting on the "center" button.

P.S.
I don't like spam, it's all fishy but it's not, and it tastes hammy and... ug.

Twista · 03-03-2005, 01:38 PM

I give up

me9996 · 03-03-2005, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twista

I give up

I've figured it out!
The reson spam is named that is becoulse- wait... this is off topic...
Bye-bye!

P.S.
What's with all the evelution stuff? And stoors and hamfoots are kinds of hobbits, not other speces...

Last Child of Ungoliant · 03-03-2005, 05:22 PM

nobody mentioned species

they were races
and, sorry if i didnt make my table clear, lefty, i dont infer evolution into a new
species, it just shows 'houses' and races, as is, i suppose, the same wth twista's

Halbarad of the Dunedain · 03-03-2005, 10:05 PM

Hobbits do not make sense in Tolkien's universe if we use our world logic. (Then again Shelob and Ungoliant were spiders beyond the size of men....) So I guess this worlds logic is not too important when figuring where the Hobbits came from. Most likely Tolkien had no good way of explaining how they came to be, when he first heard of Hobbits it was on a small scrap of papper that read "In a hole in the ground their lived a Hobbit...". Tolkien has hobbits nowhere else in his stories except The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit. The only hypothesis on where Hobbits came from is that they decended from men probably not even men of the Edain. From Tolkien's description I would think the __ would have had more in common(not only physically) with Hobbits then any race of the Edain. For example the Edain or Dunedain were quite tall... how could that type of man so quickly become so short and... less noble?

ElemmÃrÃ« · 03-03-2005, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by me9996

Nah, I was just com-enting on the "center" button.

P.S.
I don't like spam, it's all fishy but it's not, and it tastes hammy and... ug.

Commenting on the "center" button in a thread about Hobbits is off topic, spammy, and rude to boot.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halbarad of the Dunedain

how could that type of man so quickly become so short and... less noble?

Could one really claim that the Hobbits are less noble than the people of Gondor? In many ways (as much as I hate to admit it), they seem more so.

Halbarad of the Dunedain · 03-04-2005, 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElemmÃ*rÃ«

Could one really claim that the Hobbits are less noble than the people of Gondor? In many ways (as much as I hate to admit it), they seem more so.

Well I understand what you are trying to say, Hobbits being "more" noble in a more Philosophical way. What I mean though is more physical and immediatly social. For example Hobbits in the Shire desire more peace, good tilled earth, weed, ale, and food. Men of dunedain, gondor, etc. have more worries and self accept those worries. Perhaps I should have said how could men like the Dunedain become so secluded like the Hobbits so quickly!?(not to mention the physical stature change mentioned before)

02-28-2005, 12:30 AM	#1
The Wizard from Milan Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 421	Hobbit race I have a very basic question. Where do Hobbits come from? We know the origins of all species (elves, men, dwarfs, orcs) but not of Hobbits. Is it written anywhere in Tolkiens' material? or is it meant to be a mistery?

02-28-2005, 12:49 AM	#2
Lefty Scaevola AngAdan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Boerne, Texas Posts: 856	Some sort of varient of humans, I do not recall ever seeing anything about how the arose/differentiated from larger humans. Lots of speculative possibilities tere; make up your own story for them. __________________ Gaius Mucius Scaevola Older, richer, and wiser than you "Mighty are the Ainur, and mightiest among them is Melkor, but that he may know, and all the Ainur, that I am Iluvatar, those things that ye have sung, I will show them forth, ... And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me,"

02-28-2005, 12:54 PM	#3
Twista Orodruin's Flame Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kananaskis, AB Posts: 1,194	Yes, desended from men. There were three different kinds of hobbit race before known as a common one (smeagel was one of these races many years ago). The process from man to hobbit is not well known I dont think, at least Tolkien didnt go into it at any great detail. __________________ Council of Entmoot - Foreign Affairs Minister - 2004-05 Visit the Ye Olde Avatar Shop and The New One Dont tell me what I cannot do Two men are on a Island, they both see a "monster", one sees a bright light, and the other sees a dark cloud My name bares no reference to the music artist.

02-28-2005, 06:57 PM	#7
Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	eru l _____________________ elves_____________men _____________l ______________________________________ dark men_____________edain _____________l _____________________dunedain-----men of the twilight----hobbits IIRC Last edited by Last Child of Ungoliant : 02-28-2005 at 07:00 PM.

03-01-2005, 02:37 PM	#9
Twista Orodruin's Flame Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kananaskis, AB Posts: 1,194	Carried on... Dunedain \| Men of the twilight \| Ancient Hobbits \| Harfoots - Fallohides - Stoors - ( Angle Stoors ) \| Modern Day Hobbits I made a more detailed one carried on from Chrys's one. The three bold ones are the old hobbit factions of spoke of. The forth in the brackets is a group of hobbits that stayed in the 'Angle' when the rest of the Stoors moved off. +edit+ Lcog, the 'center' took works a charm by the way +edit+ __________________ Council of Entmoot - Foreign Affairs Minister - 2004-05 Visit the Ye Olde Avatar Shop and The New One Dont tell me what I cannot do Two men are on a Island, they both see a "monster", one sees a bright light, and the other sees a dark cloud My name bares no reference to the music artist. Last edited by Twista : 03-01-2005 at 02:40 PM.

03-02-2005, 11:06 PM	#13
Lefty Scaevola AngAdan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Boerne, Texas Posts: 856	It is supposition upon their part. Nor is it well founded. The idea that such a different subspecies would evolve in a few thousand years is right out. __________________ Gaius Mucius Scaevola Older, richer, and wiser than you "Mighty are the Ainur, and mightiest among them is Melkor, but that he may know, and all the Ainur, that I am Iluvatar, those things that ye have sung, I will show them forth, ... And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me," Last edited by Lefty Scaevola : 03-02-2005 at 11:08 PM.

03-03-2005, 01:38 PM	#15
Twista Orodruin's Flame Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kananaskis, AB Posts: 1,194	I give up __________________ Council of Entmoot - Foreign Affairs Minister - 2004-05 Visit the Ye Olde Avatar Shop and The New One Dont tell me what I cannot do Two men are on a Island, they both see a "monster", one sees a bright light, and the other sees a dark cloud My name bares no reference to the music artist.

03-03-2005, 05:22 PM	#17
Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	nobody mentioned species they were races and, sorry if i didnt make my table clear, lefty, i dont infer evolution into a new species, it just shows 'houses' and races, as is, i suppose, the same wth twista's

03-03-2005, 10:05 PM	#18
Halbarad of the Dunedain Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Arthedian Posts: 460	Hobbits do not make sense in Tolkien's universe if we use our world logic. (Then again Shelob and Ungoliant were spiders beyond the size of men....) So I guess this worlds logic is not too important when figuring where the Hobbits came from. Most likely Tolkien had no good way of explaining how they came to be, when he first heard of Hobbits it was on a small scrap of papper that read "In a hole in the ground their lived a Hobbit...". Tolkien has hobbits nowhere else in his stories except The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit. The only hypothesis on where Hobbits came from is that they decended from men probably not even men of the Edain. From Tolkien's description I would think the __ would have had more in common(not only physically) with Hobbits then any race of the Edain. For example the Edain or Dunedain were quite tall... how could that type of man so quickly become so short and... less noble? __________________ "Can you feel her, running through your veins? She will always live forever!" ~ Atreyu [Her portrait in Black] "I want to see pretty people doing ugly things..." ~ Unknown "Damn it n' such!" ~ Stewie Griffen

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