What do you like\ dislike about Frodo?

Elvellon · 03-08-2002, 09:35 AM

…And now for something entirely different….

What do you like\ dislike about Frodo?(not the movie one

).

Eruviel Greenleaf · 03-08-2002, 12:15 PM

I really like the character of Frodo, and I think the only times I disliked him was when they were in Mordor, before the destruction of The Ring. . .but my reasons for not liking him at that point had nothing to do with Frodo himself, and everything to do with the effects The Ring was having on him. So, I guess there isn't really anything I dislike about Frodo himself. Not that I would be almost slavishly devoted to him like Samwise (who is a character I really admire!), but, well, he's Frodo, what can I say?

Banazir · 03-08-2002, 03:33 PM

Oooh, I really like this topic!
OK, what do I like/dislike about Frodo?..

Like: he's very wise, modest, brave, kind, generous, perceptive and has a dark, cynical sense of humor. He's also darn good-looking.

Dislike: he's sometimes too 'noble' in a way, too lofty and estranged from normal people. (The Ring's effects or not, that's pretty annoying).
Also, he's WAY too pessimistic, although it's hard to blame him for that, with the kind of life he had.
Hmm, and he's very secretive and emotionally-challenged, that is, he never shows what he feels, hides all his pain, etc.
I think I had something else, but can't remember it now...
Anyway, I love him to death, like so many other girls. Only to me it's definitely NOT because of Elijah Wood. Can't stand Elijah, regardless of his good performance in the movie.

eowyn144 · 03-08-2002, 03:43 PM

like: frodo in general but made the mistake of seeing film b4 books so have elijah stuck eternally in my mind as frodo (not complaining though-not the worst person 2 have stuck in ur head!

)
especially liked his whole "by elbereth and Luthien the fair you shall have neither the ring or me" speech.

disliked: not a lot really.

he wasn't my favourite though. that was sam of course. who else.

RosieCotton · 03-08-2002, 08:00 PM

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Originally posted by Eruviel Greenleaf
I really like the character of Frodo, and I think the only times I disliked him was when they were in Mordor, before the destruction of The Ring. . .but my reasons for not liking him at that point had nothing to do with Frodo himself, and everything to do with the effects The Ring was having on him. So, I guess there isn't really anything I dislike about Frodo himself. Not that I would be almost slavishly devoted to him like Samwise (who is a character I really admire!), but, well, he's Frodo, what can I say?

Totally agree. I like Frodo, but he isn't my favorite because of what the Ring did to him.
~Rosie~

FrodoFriend · 03-08-2002, 09:50 PM

Hmm, there's very little I don't like about Frodo, since he's my favorite character (see screen name

). I like him because he's so very fallible and weak, but he ignores that and goes on the most dangerous and difficult journey possible anyway. And, well, since I like him for his weaknesses, it's hard to find anything I dislike.

Varda-Me · 03-09-2002, 01:18 AM

Well, I guess I would have to say it was the whole caste mentality of Frodo. "Me Master," you (Sam) Servant" thing. But, then, like the whole book, that was only a product of Tolkien's mentality at the time. England, mid-century, servant/master class. It was changing, of course, but Tolkied was older and had older ideas. Sometimes it seemed Frodo looked down on Sam, as much as he loved him. I really, really hate to think that, but still....

Eruviel Greenleaf · 03-09-2002, 01:48 AM

Varda-Me, you bring up a really good point. One thing I really missed in the movie was the class difference stuff, which they sort of skipped over, to my mind. Possibly because both actors are American, and class difference is something rather different here, most especially different in the last 50-some years.

Varda-Me · 03-09-2002, 01:56 AM

I guess I should add that it wasn't just Frodo who seemed to have the whole caste-conscious thing going - Gandalf did, too, of, course. He "assigned" Sam to Frodo, but not as an equal. Definitely as a servant. But - I say this hypocritically - he saw Sam as an equal to Frodao. Or maybe as a future saviour. And, of course, they were. But still - that servant/master thing is there throughout the book, from their treatment by the elves, to their treatment by Elrond, to ..... you get the point. English caste system. How could Tolkien have portrayed anything else?

Khadrane · 03-09-2002, 06:28 PM

I really like Frodo. He carrie the Ring all the way to Mount Doom before he succumed to it, and that took will power. What kind bugged me about him was that (it was probably an effect of the Ring) when they got back to the Shire he was so reluctant to fight. Even though his homeland was taken over, he didn't want to use violence.

Eruviel Greenleaf · 03-09-2002, 06:59 PM

I think, Khadrane, that he had seen enough violence and terror, etc. and didn't want to take part in that. I mean, it would have been nice if he had, but I can understand his desire not to. You'd think it would be Merry and Pippin who had enough of fighting, but then again, they were younger and did not have the burden of the Ring.

Starr Polish · 03-09-2002, 09:02 PM

Like: He was a pacifist (

), and he did have extremely good will power. He had a lot of good points.

Dislike: He was a bit arrogant when thinking about being the saviour of the shire and all (and don't say the ring was affecting him because he hadn't worn it yet), and he was incredibly dependent upon Sam, and of course, the whole caste thing (though I saw a lot of that disappear in the last couple of chapters)

::sob:: I'm only ten pages away from finishing ROTK...

Renille · 03-10-2002, 01:09 PM

I like Frodo because he seems so real...but yet very other-worldly and unreal at the same time. He is someone who has a very strong will, but can still be corrupted.

I dislike Frodo, again, because of the caste thing. To me, he seemed to always be dependant on Sam for his well-being, and then gave Sam no other reward than "I'm glad you're with me, Sam." He could, at least, have acknowledged Sam as his only source of survival for the weeks that they were in Mordor, and NOT treated him like a stupid, second-rate servant.
Okay...I know, I'm exaggerating...sorry, I'll shut up now.

Radagast The Brown · 03-10-2002, 01:35 PM

I like Frodo because he was, smart, brave, stubborn.
he was stubborn when he didn't give to Buromir the ring and when he didn't give to Bilbo the ring too.

I dislike Frodo especially when he was in Mordor because I thought in that moment that he's the most weaker hobit from all the hobits that went to the journey.

Rána Eressëa · 03-10-2002, 02:28 PM

I like everything about Frodo. Period.

It's not often you get to see a character do an amazing 180, or for that matter be so strong and so weak at the same time. I don't like your original "I'm here to save the world! Go me!" heroes; I like ones who can get through the job without needing greater superpowers and who aren't full of themselves. The thing I liked best was probably Frodo's change; it showed how different people can become when pushed past the limits of their willpower.

Frodo's a one-of-a-kind. It's hard to dislike anything about him. Or maybe it's just my fault for being one of those people who if given the chance wouldn't change anything about a person: because well, we all make the world go 'round

eowyn144 · 03-10-2002, 03:09 PM

well said!

Eruviel Greenleaf · 03-10-2002, 11:07 PM

Indeed, very well said.

Evenstar · 03-11-2002, 01:42 AM

I totally agree Rogue Elf!!

I loved Frodo!!! There was nothing about him that I disliked. There was never a time when I thought "Get over it", or "who cares!!"
I felt for Frodo...I was amazed at Frodo!!! There would have been times that I would have chucked the ring away or crumpled under the pressure. He was so innocent and delicate, but strong and determined at the same time!!! I loved him, and that is that!!!

Radagast The Brown · 03-11-2002, 03:12 PM

I'm agree with Regue Elf halfly. from one side I don't like that strong heroes... but from the other side I don't like Frodo!

Ërendil · 03-11-2002, 05:29 PM

I liked Frodo in the book. He wasn't the typical "hero" or the "perfect" person. He had faults, he was afraid and he was unsure. Although my favourite charecter was Sam, I couldn't help liking Frodo. I think that the best parts of Frodo are shown during the two towers when Gollum is the guide, and from Moria onwards in the fellowship of the ring. Like Renille said, even though he was a hobbit, he seemed very real and believable.

I really like Frodo but I liked Sam better...he was so cute and sweet.

03-08-2002, 09:35 AM	#1
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03-08-2002, 12:15 PM	#2
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	I really like the character of Frodo, and I think the only times I disliked him was when they were in Mordor, before the destruction of The Ring. . .but my reasons for not liking him at that point had nothing to do with Frodo himself, and everything to do with the effects The Ring was having on him. So, I guess there isn't really anything I dislike about Frodo himself. Not that I would be almost slavishly devoted to him like Samwise (who is a character I really admire!), but, well, he's Frodo, what can I say? __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

03-08-2002, 03:33 PM	#3
Banazir Hobbit Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 40	Oooh, I really like this topic! OK, what do I like/dislike about Frodo?.. Like: he's very wise, modest, brave, kind, generous, perceptive and has a dark, cynical sense of humor. He's also darn good-looking. Dislike: he's sometimes too 'noble' in a way, too lofty and estranged from normal people. (The Ring's effects or not, that's pretty annoying). Also, he's WAY too pessimistic, although it's hard to blame him for that, with the kind of life he had. Hmm, and he's very secretive and emotionally-challenged, that is, he never shows what he feels, hides all his pain, etc. I think I had something else, but can't remember it now... Anyway, I love him to death, like so many other girls. Only to me it's definitely NOT because of Elijah Wood. Can't stand Elijah, regardless of his good performance in the movie. __________________ "...I love him, whether or no". Last edited by Banazir : 03-08-2002 at 03:36 PM.

03-08-2002, 03:43 PM	#4
eowyn144 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 435	like: frodo in general but made the mistake of seeing film b4 books so have elijah stuck eternally in my mind as frodo (not complaining though-not the worst person 2 have stuck in ur head! ) especially liked his whole "by elbereth and Luthien the fair you shall have neither the ring or me" speech. disliked: not a lot really. he wasn't my favourite though. that was sam of course. who else. __________________ If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe

03-08-2002, 09:50 PM	#6
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	Hmm, there's very little I don't like about Frodo, since he's my favorite character (see screen name ). I like him because he's so very fallible and weak, but he ignores that and goes on the most dangerous and difficult journey possible anyway. And, well, since I like him for his weaknesses, it's hard to find anything I dislike. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

03-09-2002, 01:18 AM	#7
Varda-Me Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 40	Well, I guess I would have to say it was the whole caste mentality of Frodo. "Me Master," you (Sam) Servant" thing. But, then, like the whole book, that was only a product of Tolkien's mentality at the time. England, mid-century, servant/master class. It was changing, of course, but Tolkied was older and had older ideas. Sometimes it seemed Frodo looked down on Sam, as much as he loved him. I really, really hate to think that, but still....

03-09-2002, 01:48 AM	#8
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	Varda-Me, you bring up a really good point. One thing I really missed in the movie was the class difference stuff, which they sort of skipped over, to my mind. Possibly because both actors are American, and class difference is something rather different here, most especially different in the last 50-some years. __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

03-09-2002, 01:56 AM	#9
Varda-Me Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 40	I guess I should add that it wasn't just Frodo who seemed to have the whole caste-conscious thing going - Gandalf did, too, of, course. He "assigned" Sam to Frodo, but not as an equal. Definitely as a servant. But - I say this hypocritically - he saw Sam as an equal to Frodao. Or maybe as a future saviour. And, of course, they were. But still - that servant/master thing is there throughout the book, from their treatment by the elves, to their treatment by Elrond, to ..... you get the point. English caste system. How could Tolkien have portrayed anything else?

03-09-2002, 06:28 PM	#10
Khadrane Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Middle Earth (I wish) Posts: 670	I really like Frodo. He carrie the Ring all the way to Mount Doom before he succumed to it, and that took will power. What kind bugged me about him was that (it was probably an effect of the Ring) when they got back to the Shire he was so reluctant to fight. Even though his homeland was taken over, he didn't want to use violence. __________________ Few know whither their road will take them till they come to its end. -Legolas FRODO LIVES! ABORTION IS HOMICIDE

03-09-2002, 06:59 PM	#11
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	I think, Khadrane, that he had seen enough violence and terror, etc. and didn't want to take part in that. I mean, it would have been nice if he had, but I can understand his desire not to. You'd think it would be Merry and Pippin who had enough of fighting, but then again, they were younger and did not have the burden of the Ring. __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

03-09-2002, 09:02 PM	#12
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	Like: He was a pacifist (), and he did have extremely good will power. He had a lot of good points. Dislike: He was a bit arrogant when thinking about being the saviour of the shire and all (and don't say the ring was affecting him because he hadn't worn it yet), and he was incredibly dependent upon Sam, and of course, the whole caste thing (though I saw a lot of that disappear in the last couple of chapters) ::sob:: I'm only ten pages away from finishing ROTK... __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell

03-10-2002, 01:09 PM	#13
Renille Elven Lady of Speed-posting Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the cheese state Posts: 988	I like Frodo because he seems so real...but yet very other-worldly and unreal at the same time. He is someone who has a very strong will, but can still be corrupted. I dislike Frodo, again, because of the caste thing. To me, he seemed to always be dependant on Sam for his well-being, and then gave Sam no other reward than "I'm glad you're with me, Sam." He could, at least, have acknowledged Sam as his only source of survival for the weeks that they were in Mordor, and NOT treated him like a stupid, second-rate servant. Okay...I know, I'm exaggerating...sorry, I'll shut up now. __________________ Oh the thinks you can think! Think and wonder and dream...far and wide as you dare! When your thinks have run dry, in the blink of an eye, there's another world there... (from Seussical the Musical. Listen to it...watch it...really.)

03-10-2002, 01:35 PM	#14
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	I like Frodo because he was, smart, brave, stubborn. he was stubborn when he didn't give to Buromir the ring and when he didn't give to Bilbo the ring too. I dislike Frodo especially when he was in Mordor because I thought in that moment that he's the most weaker hobit from all the hobits that went to the journey. __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

03-10-2002, 02:28 PM	#15
Rána Eressëa The Rogue Elf Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,722	I like everything about Frodo. Period. It's not often you get to see a character do an amazing 180, or for that matter be so strong and so weak at the same time. I don't like your original "I'm here to save the world! Go me!" heroes; I like ones who can get through the job without needing greater superpowers and who aren't full of themselves. The thing I liked best was probably Frodo's change; it showed how different people can become when pushed past the limits of their willpower. Frodo's a one-of-a-kind. It's hard to dislike anything about him. Or maybe it's just my fault for being one of those people who if given the chance wouldn't change anything about a person: because well, we all make the world go 'round Last edited by Rána Eressëa : 03-10-2002 at 02:38 PM.

03-10-2002, 03:09 PM	#16
eowyn144 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 435	well said! __________________ If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe

03-10-2002, 11:07 PM	#17
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	Indeed, very well said. __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

03-11-2002, 01:42 AM	#18
Evenstar Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Neverneverland Posts: 215	Mmm... I totally agree Rogue Elf!! I loved Frodo!!! There was nothing about him that I disliked. There was never a time when I thought "Get over it", or "who cares!!" I felt for Frodo...I was amazed at Frodo!!! There would have been times that I would have chucked the ring away or crumpled under the pressure. He was so innocent and delicate, but strong and determined at the same time!!! I loved him, and that is that!!! __________________ "Frodo, Mr Frodo," he called. "Don't leave me here alone. It's your Sam calling. Don't you go where I can't follow." FRODO LIVES !!!!

03-11-2002, 03:12 PM	#19
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	I'm agree with Regue Elf halfly. from one side I don't like that strong heroes... but from the other side I don't like Frodo! __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

03-11-2002, 05:29 PM	#20
Ërendil Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 389	I liked Frodo in the book. He wasn't the typical "hero" or the "perfect" person. He had faults, he was afraid and he was unsure. Although my favourite charecter was Sam, I couldn't help liking Frodo. I think that the best parts of Frodo are shown during the two towers when Gollum is the guide, and from Moria onwards in the fellowship of the ring. Like Renille said, even though he was a hobbit, he seemed very real and believable. I really like Frodo but I liked Sam better...he was so cute and sweet. __________________ "You're one of the Abaharaki, oh I had forgotten. Look at me, I am completly drenched! I do hate the rain, it makes me so depressed..." "Hehehehe, moeru moeru!" "That's it, set it all on fire; we're gonna smoke out Escaflowne!" "Oh, I hit the wrong target... never mind that creature was useless to us anyway. Our orders were to get the girl? So he isn't our concern, we don't need him!" ^_^ Isn't Dilandau just fantastic? You just have to love the insane, murderous pyro :-D

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