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non noldar greats
the noldar were the greatest of the elves
where there any non noldar who may have rivaled them thingol does not count because he was "technically" calaquendi perhaps cirdan and beleg anyone else you can think of?
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Re: non noldar greats
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correct but i meant the so called "lesser" elves luthien is 1/2 maia and 1/2 calaquendi she is BETTER than the noldar
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The noldor weren't the best of the elves.
The vanyur were better. and to my mind so were most of the teleri (sans thingol). Feanor was the greatest elf craftsman, and fingolfin was the greatest lord, but that doesn't hold true for all thier people. In fact, i'll bet that the noldor would have been pretty pathetic with different leadership.
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It is said in many places that the Amanyar were far enhanced in powers from their kin in Middle-earth, and somewhere Tolkien names the Ñoldor as the most gifted of the Eldar. I don't know if that makes them 'best', or if any race can be 'better' than another.
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ok let's try this again
of the elves of ME the vanyar were in valinor lets say in basic terms it seems that the noldar in ME could wipe the floor against the others elves is this basically true? excluding the descendants of of finwe who seem to all be major butt kickers if ecthelion,glorfindel, gwindor(pre-capture) where to go up against sindar or silvan i get the feeeling they would win hands down
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As far as battle goes, with equal numbers on both sides, I don't doubt any army of Light Elves could defeat Grey-elves, or Grey-elves defeat Wood-elves.
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i mentioned 3 noldar lords
were there ANY grey or silvan elves who could stand against those there one on one? what about" normal" noldar like voronwe,arminas, and edrahil to my limited knowledge it seems only beleg, cirdan, and mablung come close
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![]() Celeborn ??
he's sindar if i remember well Elrond/Elros Eladan/Elrohir Also some Human were mighty Enough to stand held agains't any elves
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i was in a toss up about celeborn
but i'll concede as to the mixed race i'll concede too
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Legolas?
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i love legolas
but i think if he went against anyone mentioned above, quick he would be in the halls of mandos
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i don't think he was around the noldar long enough to gain in innate power
i think a lot of of the calaquendi power comes from living in aman he could just hide in the forest and use the bow of lorien to pick the guys off ![]() i'm quite should YOUR noldor love would have no problem with him i repeat i love legolas but i don't think the other mentioned above would have gone ai ai a balrog has come i think they would have engaged it
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Finrod and Legolas would definately be an unfair match.
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It is true that the Sindar and other elven peoples were no equals to the noldor in power, but I am not so sure about how great were the differences. Just a few examples; Mablung and Cu Beleg were counted among the greatest warriors of the eldar, they were of the sindar. You also have Eol, the Dark Elf, probably the greatest maker of swords among the elves. Oropher created a kingdom that outlasted the noldorim ones, A kingdom that started during the 2nd Era and lasted well into the 4th Era. And remember, the Silmarillion mostly gives the Noldor and Edain perspective, we only know a few of the Sindarim lords and even less of other peoples.
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kirinski54
i found an answer to a question on another thread but i couldn't find the thread again it was about the vikings using blue to describe dark skinned people i asked a swedish friend of mine and she said that there is a swedish word that uses blue as a color for dark skinned people
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afro-elf, it's Ñoldor, not Noldar, the initial n pronounced like the back nasal ng as in king or ring. I wrote the n with a tilde (~) as Tolkien himself wrote it that way in many of his writings (although he also used special forms of the letter n as well). It was only pronounced n during the Third Age in Gondor when they were rather careless in pronouncing Quenya. Come to think of it, they were rather careless in pronouncing Sindarin as well: consider Rohan. The classical way to pronounce it is with the h like a the spirant k (kh/ch) as in ach, loch, and the final n pronounced long: thus Rochann.
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correction is noted
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