ARAGORN AND Gandalf ARE related!!!

Aragorn_iz_cool · 04-19-2002, 10:51 PM

Ok well Milien (or whatever her name was havent read the sillmirion for a while) was a maia. She married thingol. They Had Luthien. The had a kid. The kids kid was called elwing. She married Earendil. They had elround and Elros. Isildor is decended from Elros. Aragorn is decended from isildor. Therefore he is decended fro, Milien. If all the maia are related Gandalf is Milien's brother (or something like that) So he is distently related to aragorn!

***Khamûl*** · 04-20-2002, 12:56 AM

And if your sister is your aunt and your mother marries your uncle, you'd be your own grandpa.

Just kidding. I haven't read the Silmarillion yet, so I guess I'll have to take your word for it.

Blackheart · 04-20-2002, 02:04 AM

Ummmm.

Yeah, I'm related to Adam (on the dunlandish side).. but that don't mean I get invited to the family reunions.

Aragorns Dimple · 04-20-2002, 10:03 AM

I thought I was confused before, but now I'm REALLY confused....

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 04-20-2002, 10:30 AM

Well, if you want to look at it that way, then Aragorn and Arwen are related, before marriage.

***azalea*** · 04-20-2002, 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by Aragorn_iz_cool
Ok well Milien (or whatever her name was havent read the sillmirion for a while) was a maia. She married thingol. They Had Luthien. The had a kid. The kids kid was called elwing. She married Earendil. They had elround and Elros. Isildor is decended from Elros. Aragorn is decended from isildor. Therefore he is decended fro, Milien. If all the maia are related Gandalf is Milien's brother (or something like that) So he is distently related to aragorn!

That's so cool! I Guess that would either make Gandalf a greatgreat... uncle or a cousin removed ??? times.

Arathorn · 04-20-2002, 10:39 AM

If you put it that way, so are Saruman and Sauron to the bunch; siblings of Gandalf, really.

TinuvielChild · 04-20-2002, 12:24 PM

yes, Aragorn and Arwen are related (before marriage). and i guess all the Maiar are related...kinda sorta maybe. Gandalf and Saruman are related, aren't they? i may be mistaken, but weren't the five Istari related? i don't know...i'm confoozled!

Khadrane · 04-20-2002, 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by Arathorn
If you put it that way, so are Saruman and Sauron to the bunch; siblings of Gandalf, really.

Talk about sibling rivalry.

Wayfarer · 04-20-2002, 01:55 PM

Well, when you look at it, so is everybody.

After all, Humans, Elves, and Ainur were all created by 'the allfather', Dwarves were created by an ainu, and the orcs were corrupted by one. Hobbits were somehow produced out of men. Maybe Midget inbreeding?

Just one big happy family.

***azalea*** · 04-20-2002, 02:38 PM

Not to mention that a lot of Hobbits were related in the Shire and ended up marrying cousins.

Lady of Darkness · 04-22-2002, 08:52 PM

Strange thoughts coming into my brain. Does that mean that Aragorn would be marrying his, like, fiftieth cousin, whatever times removed? That's not right!!!!! but, hey, I don't think that he was tracing his lineage to make sure he wasn't falling in love with one of his extreamly distant relitives. Who would?????

Arathorn · 04-23-2002, 02:46 AM

I think it's ok to marry not closer than your 3rd degree cousin.

In Aragorn's case, Arwen is his distant ancestor's cousin. I've never heard of another case like that, though.

Lady of Darkness · 04-24-2002, 03:49 PM

Good! How long will Gandalf live after he goes away w/ the elves? i wuz on a website the other day and was reading these made-up stories about life before and after LOTR and they had Gandalf living for a long time after. I thought he said that he was gonna die soon. mabey I was mistaken?

***azalea*** · 04-24-2002, 07:19 PM

I think as a Maia he is immortal, and would either dwell forever in Valinor, or return to Eru eventually.

Aragorn_iz_cool · 04-24-2002, 09:12 PM

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Talk about sibling rivalry.

LOL

Suramen: Daddy, Souron isn't giving me a turn to take over the world.

Gandalf: Could you too keep it down, I'm trying to study here.

Souron: I WILL RULE THE WORLD MAHAHAHA.

Suramen: Daddy souron's scaring me agein!

Eru: Souron go to you're room and think about what you've done!

And so on.. Funny thought...

Ñólendil · 04-24-2002, 09:56 PM

I think everyone here has realized, more or less, that the theory pretty much falls apart. Gandalf and Melian were both Maiar, but it would be presumptuous to say they were brother and sister. There were brothers and sisters among the Ainur distinct from the rest of their kind. Manwe and Melkor were brothers, Irmo, Namo and Nienna were siblings, Yavanna and Vána were sisters (and Melian was said to be of their kin) and perhaps it should also be mentioned that Gandalf referred to Radagast as "my cousin" in The Hobbit.

***azalea*** · 04-25-2002, 09:36 AM

Ahhhhh, you're right!

Kwijibo · 04-25-2002, 04:55 PM

And I felt sorry for my best friend with three sisters and one brother ...

*sigh*

Ñólendil · 04-25-2002, 11:10 PM

Reading my post again, Aragorn is however related to Yavanna. He's descended from Melian through Lúthien after all, and Melian is of the kin of Yavanna. So, ... you could safely say that the blood of the Valar are in Elessar's veins.

04-19-2002, 10:51 PM	#1
Aragorn_iz_cool Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 119	ARAGORN AND Gandalf ARE related!!! Ok well Milien (or whatever her name was havent read the sillmirion for a while) was a maia. She married thingol. They Had Luthien. The had a kid. The kids kid was called elwing. She married Earendil. They had elround and Elros. Isildor is decended from Elros. Aragorn is decended from isildor. Therefore he is decended fro, Milien. If all the maia are related Gandalf is Milien's brother (or something like that) So he is distently related to aragorn!

04-20-2002, 12:56 AM	#2
*Khamûl* Slacker Warrior Admin Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,759	And if your sister is your aunt and your mother marries your uncle, you'd be your own grandpa. Just kidding. I haven't read the Silmarillion yet, so I guess I'll have to take your word for it. __________________ "If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you." Gandalf to Pippin Psalm 107:31

04-20-2002, 02:04 AM	#3
Blackheart Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Darkness Posts: 1,211	Ummmm. Yeah, I'm related to Adam (on the dunlandish side).. but that don't mean I get invited to the family reunions. __________________ I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ...

04-20-2002, 10:03 AM	#4
Aragorns Dimple Enting Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: On Viggo's Chin Posts: 77	I thought I was confused before, but now I'm REALLY confused.... __________________ "Is it nice, my preciousss? Is it juicy? Is it scrumptiously crunchable?" - Gollum

04-20-2002, 10:39 AM	#7
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	If you put it that way, so are Saruman and Sauron to the bunch; siblings of Gandalf, really. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

04-20-2002, 10:30 AM	#5
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Well, if you want to look at it that way, then Aragorn and Arwen are related, before marriage.

04-20-2002, 12:24 PM	#8
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	yes, Aragorn and Arwen are related (before marriage). and i guess all the Maiar are related...kinda sorta maybe. Gandalf and Saruman are related, aren't they? i may be mistaken, but weren't the five Istari related? i don't know...i'm confoozled! __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

04-20-2002, 01:55 PM	#10
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Well, when you look at it, so is everybody. After all, Humans, Elves, and Ainur were all created by 'the allfather', Dwarves were created by an ainu, and the orcs were corrupted by one. Hobbits were somehow produced out of men. Maybe Midget inbreeding? Just one big happy family. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned Last edited by Wayfarer : 04-20-2002 at 01:57 PM.

04-20-2002, 02:38 PM	#11
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	Not to mention that a lot of Hobbits were related in the Shire and ended up marrying cousins.

04-22-2002, 08:52 PM	#12
Lady of Darkness Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the wild or my home Posts: 733	Strange thoughts coming into my brain. Does that mean that Aragorn would be marrying his, like, fiftieth cousin, whatever times removed? That's not right!!!!! but, hey, I don't think that he was tracing his lineage to make sure he wasn't falling in love with one of his extreamly distant relitives. Who would????? __________________ Conform Consume OBEY!!!! I am Morwen, Lady of Darkness. Her head was bowed, from all the tears and pain, but she would rise again

04-23-2002, 02:46 AM	#13
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	I think it's ok to marry not closer than your 3rd degree cousin. In Aragorn's case, Arwen is his distant ancestor's cousin. I've never heard of another case like that, though. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

04-24-2002, 03:49 PM	#14
Lady of Darkness Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the wild or my home Posts: 733	Good! How long will Gandalf live after he goes away w/ the elves? i wuz on a website the other day and was reading these made-up stories about life before and after LOTR and they had Gandalf living for a long time after. I thought he said that he was gonna die soon. mabey I was mistaken? __________________ Conform Consume OBEY!!!! I am Morwen, Lady of Darkness. Her head was bowed, from all the tears and pain, but she would rise again

04-24-2002, 07:19 PM	#15
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	I think as a Maia he is immortal, and would either dwell forever in Valinor, or return to Eru eventually. Last edited by azalea : 04-24-2002 at 07:22 PM.

04-24-2002, 09:56 PM	#17
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	I think everyone here has realized, more or less, that the theory pretty much falls apart. Gandalf and Melian were both Maiar, but it would be presumptuous to say they were brother and sister. There were brothers and sisters among the Ainur distinct from the rest of their kind. Manwe and Melkor were brothers, Irmo, Namo and Nienna were siblings, Yavanna and Vána were sisters (and Melian was said to be of their kin) and perhaps it should also be mentioned that Gandalf referred to Radagast as "my cousin" in The Hobbit. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

04-25-2002, 09:36 AM	#18
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	Ahhhhh, you're right!

04-25-2002, 04:55 PM	#19
Kwijibo Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlorien (actually Wales, but let's not talk about that) Posts: 117	And I felt sorry for my best friend with three sisters and one brother ... sigh __________________ 'So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All you can decide is what to do with the time that is given to you,' - Gandalf the Grey 'I left my body to science, but I'm afraid they've turned it down' - In memory of Graham Chapman 'Rubin sits like Buddah in a 10 foot cell, An innocent man in a living hell,' - From 'Hurricane' by Bob Dylan, the only innocent Hurricane protest song, written stressing the innocence of Rubin 'Hurricane' Carter, a black, middle-weight boxer imprisoned for 19 for a triple murder which he did not commit.

04-25-2002, 11:10 PM	#20
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Reading my post again, Aragorn is however related to Yavanna. He's descended from Melian through Lúthien after all, and Melian is of the kin of Yavanna. So, ... you could safely say that the blood of the Valar are in Elessar's veins. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

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