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The Rogue Elf
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Big Bad World
I have a dicussion-like question that I would like some good relevant information about.
If charged with a small thing like theft for products under $20 and only given probation, exactly how much (and in what ways) can this effect you as you go into schools, jobs, and etc.? I am currently bogged by this and would like to ease my mind a little from worry (if that's at all possible). |
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Elven Warrior
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I suppose it depends where you live.
In the UK many criminal convictions do not have to be declared after a certain time period. Minor theft does not have to be declared on official forms after 5 years. During those 5 yrs it does have to be declared on job/college/university applications. (sighs) and they wonder why a convicted criminal usually goes back to an unlawful way of life ![]() |
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The Rogue Elf
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It's juvenile. I think juvenile records work slightly different from then if you were charged with it as an adult.
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The Rogue Elf
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According to my father (who has a large knowledge of law, but not because he likes it), here in the States all juvenile records do not have to mentioned, declared, revealed to anyone; they're sealed records. I just asked and he said you are not obligated to tell anyone, even if it's for a school or job, but they can (if they dig deep enough) find out. Can anyone clarify this perhaps?
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Elf Lord of the Grey Havens
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Felony Juvenile records are open if you are tried as an adult. It would vary from state to state. It has been a while since I had my little problem, buit it sounds like no big deal. There are people your age killing people, after all.
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I Antha
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I don't know but I think your fathers right Rana.
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and i thought you were such a nice girl. Its a shame you didnt do it before you were 16 because if americas like here they just let you off with a caution.
But if you do the crime you got to do the time ![]() ![]()
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Actually, I did do it before I was sixteen. But those evil people waited four months for me to turn sixteen that way they could attempt to charge me with a fine. Wal-mart people are greedy worms, I tell ya. Not only have they already pressed to court for restitution fees 6 times the amount for the products they got BACK - and get this: unharmed - but now they want to charge me with an even larger fine (which thanks to a counsellor will be overturned). Since neither one of my parents are working and have disability, you think they would show some pity, but no - they were willing to pull the money out of my dad's disability if they had to. Now tell me that isn't cruel for a first time offense of only $17 dollars.
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I liked wal mart when i come over from england. I mean the one in kisseme had its own mac donalds. we lost my mum and sister for over 2 hours in it though
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I don't mean to sound preachy, but what and why did you steal anyway?
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Thats ridiculous, stupid Wal-mart...
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They're 'making an example of you', I'm sure. Sheesh, RE, you should know that you shouldn't listen to society. Evil lemming sheep....
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I Antha
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Man Wal-Mart's mean, I never shopped there before and I definately never will now.
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Hurm...sorry to bust your bubble, but I'm sure most stores would have done the same.
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Um why evil walmart? Stealing is wrong and against the law. They can't make special exceptions for you and not others. They don't care about your problems and why would they? Its a cruel world.
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Yes, but Wal-Mart is still pure, distilled evil.
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Well, that may be true.
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