12-20-2004, 11:28 AM | #1 | |
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HP Vs. LoTR
first, maybe there are threads where i could have slipped this in, but I prefer to make a own post. I found this on a norwegian site, though they too just found it somewhere else. here ya go:
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I will make some thoughts and arguments later. Edit. Finaly I put it in a quote...
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12-20-2004, 02:14 PM | #2 |
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nothing but special effects and battle scenes? no PLOT??? You sure you read the LOTR books...?
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wow if i wasn't so lazy right now i could poke soooo many holes in every single argument in that article. but ill give a little summary:
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well i guessed that ended up being more than a little summary... btw i love the hp books too but i hate it when rapid fans try to say rowling wasnt influenced by tolkien and that lotr is dumb
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12-20-2004, 02:54 PM | #4 |
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This kind of thing is not only pointless, but it makes me sick to my stomach to read those "arguments." Although the author of that post claims to have read LotR, her comments show that if she has, she didn't "get it," or is simply unable to understand and appreciate a well-written story.
Again, I don't see the point of contrasting two very different books just because they happen to be classified in the same genre. Enjoying literature isn't a competition. |
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Pytt... maybe you should have put all that in a quote... it makes it look like it's your own words!
I don't really have all that much to add after Manveru's post... but I'm reluctant to believe that CaLi_Jazz22 was actually reading LotR, or at least paying attention to it... Quote:
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About magic creatures... IMO, LOTR is not a fantasy story of the same type as HP. Legions of magical creatures were not necessary. Since when is quantity more important than quality? Quote:
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I'm in danger of venturing back into the Silmarillion... more comfortable territory for me... (*ahem* duel at Tol-in-Gaurhoth *ahem*) Well... why are spells superior to mortal weapons? In LOTR, everyone doesn't have all sorts of crazy magic. In fact, I would venture to say that magic itself doesn't play that much of a part, unless your talking about the subtle forms practiced by the Elves, who wouldn't even consider their arts magic. And the Istari and Sauron... they're MAIAR! Quote:
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No background information? Ever read the Silmarillion? There's about 7000 years of background information. No characters who die for reasons? I'm tired of refuting all the ridiculous arguments of this alasaila quén. Especially to a bunch of Tolkien fans. btw... Pytt? Do you know where they found that?
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12-20-2004, 03:29 PM | #6 |
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One word: Etymologist.
That is all. I agree with what 'Zales said.
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
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12-20-2004, 03:40 PM | #10 |
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What? Couldn't fit that with the other post?
Is there anything left to mention?
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12-20-2004, 03:47 PM | #11 |
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I was 76 charcters over!
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
12-20-2004, 06:37 PM | #12 |
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Pytt, do you agree with this article?
I agree with azalea... and I think the only way you can say which is better, is in how much you enjoyed reading each. And I have the idea she was referring to LotR movies many times, not to the books...and as the first person in the other board said - ignore this person. |
12-20-2004, 07:01 PM | #13 |
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hulo guys. sorry I didn't left my own thoughts, beacuse I had to run.
and when you say it, I should have put it a quote. No I don't agree with this at all. Like Azalea said, it don't seem like the person have got it. she lays forth her own meanings as the one and only truth. and says HP needs innteligence to understand. I think the writer is straight ahead dumb. most of it is. some of the arguments, like simple plots, are so childish I can't find words. BTW: MY POST NUMBER 300!
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12-22-2004, 03:08 PM | #14 |
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They didn't seem to have a problem finding words... did you even read their posts? A rebuttal would be nice, otherwise your argument is toast.
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12-23-2004, 11:12 PM | #15 |
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Wow. That's all I have to say.
I for one like HP better than LotR *hides under table*, but that person is really not-very-intelligent. She obviously doesn't really get LotR. I mean, I may like HP more, but obviously I like LotR, or I wouldn't be here, but I still agree with what all of you are saying. Everything you've said is true. Except I don't think she stole ideas from Tolkien. But really, that person has no idea what she's talking about. She doesn't apprieciate Tolkien like it should be appriciated, she obviously doesn't know anything about how he made LotR. And I don't have any quotes to say, ya'll said them all already.
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12-24-2004, 06:53 PM | #16 |
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Hmmm.
The Lord of the Rings First Book Published in 1954 Single Book Published in three installments Total of about 1500 pages. Set has sold 100,000,000 copies (Or about 300,000,000 copies of the three installments combined.) Consistently voted Favorite Book of the 20th Century. An Epic story of the battle between Good and Evil in primordial Middle Earth, and the simple, peace loving people who are caught up in the struggle and upon whom the end ultimately rests. The Harry Potter Series First Book Published in 1997 Five Books Published so far, totaling about 3000 pages. All Books combined have sold 200,000,000 copies (Or about 40,000,000 copies of the complete set) Won the Nickelodeon 'Kids Choice Award' for 'Favorite Book' An episodic series of stories about the exploits of an orphaned child from modern-day London who discovers his magical heritage when he is invited to enroll in a school for wizards, where he is forced to contend with the evil wizard that killed his parents. Hmm. You know, far be it from me to suggest such a thing, but despite any comparisons you might be tempted to draw, the two are barely in the same Genre, let alone the same League. Honestly.
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12-26-2004, 06:08 PM | #17 |
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thank you!! thats what ive been saying for years
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I don't care how long the books are, how many books are in the series (there are 5 Harry Potter books now Wayfarer), how long they have been out, etc. etc.
One can compare Harry Potter and LOTR, but the author of the original posts demonstrates in several places that he/she doesn't understand anything about LOTR, including magic, the plot, the characters, and the themes. You can't compare LOTR and HP when you know squat about LOTR. But even putting that aside, arguments 1 - 3 don't work out. Argument 4 is simply that he/she likes Harry Potter more. That doesn't make it a superior literary work (which is very hard to judge objectively anyway).
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01-02-2005, 01:26 AM | #19 |
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HP and LOTR are incomparable. That's all there is to it. They are far too different on far too many levels to try and determine superiority (as per the Genre thing Wayfarer mentioned). Personally, I don't see why people like this can't just enjoy both for their own respective merits.
Additionally, there is no way this person can have read or possibly even heard of The Silmarillion... or else he/she is just unbelievably delusional...
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01-02-2005, 02:27 PM | #20 |
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Actually, useful comparisons can be drawn productively! See LOOKING FOR GOD IN HARRY POTTER by John Granger, or his THE HIDDEN KEY TO HARRY POTTER (if you are lucky enough to get a copy). For a blurb to the concept check out www.hogwartsprofessor.com and site articles. Also, I have read the "Harry is a Hobbit" essay recommended on the site, and it notes the parallels quite well.
That said, I do not think our original thread starter's cited article's author has these depths of perception in mind, nor the depth of the texts of either, IMHO.
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