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Fingon the valiant?
Any idea why Fingon was called 'The valiant' in Valinor? Was there any dangerous activities in the Blessed Realm, where there was no death among the Elves?
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08-31-2004, 02:05 PM | #3 |
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And it can't have been just after the awakening of the elves as seen as Maedhros wasn't born until they got to Valinor.
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It was said about Celegorm that he went hunting with teh group of Orome. That's where he got Huan of Valinor.. maybe Fingon went on hunts too, and there he got his name, like Lefty said.
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Maybe he just got 500 posts and a custom title.
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Another explanation I've heard elsewhere is that Fingon and his mate Maedhros were enjoying cliff-diving, and that Fingon always jumped from incredible heights at the most dangerous spots.
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Maybe he told Feanor that the SIlmarils were rubbish.
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09-03-2004, 12:37 AM | #11 |
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I've always imagined that Fingon picked up this title during some kind of hunting incident, something not too dissimilar to the scene in La Reine Margot, where Henri of Navarre leaps to the aid of the king - who was in imminent danger of being skewered by a wild boar - and takes the creature down with nothing but a dagger. A more romantic idea would be Fingon saving Maedhros from this fate - though that might be stretching the point a little.
I've heard the cliff-diving idea too, there is a picture on Elfwood showing this scene isn't there? Done by the same artist who drew that amazing picture of Fëanor, Nerdanel, and the brats? I like the idea, especially when put in the context of her artwork. Very cool. Last edited by Telumehtar : 09-03-2004 at 12:53 AM. |
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There is the problem of Maedhros naming Fingon "valiant" before that (as mentioned bySGH), but I can see at least two possible explanations. The history as depicted in The Sil was supposedly handed down by Elves to Men, and interpreted in the process. It is possible that the notion of Fingon naming Fingon valiant after the Kin-slaying was put in incorrectly. The other is that Fingon was named valiant even in Valinor, but even without killings and death there, he might well have distinguished himself as a brave person. Or reknowned for his strength: val·iant ( P ) Pronunciation Key (vlynt) adj. Possessing valor; brave. Marked by or done with valor. See Synonyms at brave. n. A brave person. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Middle English, from Old French vaillant, from Latin valns, valent- present participle of valre, to be strong. See wal- in Indo-European Roots.] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- valian·cy or valiance or valiant·ness n. valiant·ly adv. valiant \Val"iant\, a. [OE. valiant, F. vaillant, OF. vaillant, valant, originally p. pr. of OF. & F. valoir to be worth, L. valere to be strong. See Wield, and cf. Avail, Convalesce, Equivalent, Prevail, Valid.] 1. Vigorous in body; strong; powerful; as, a valiant fencer. [Obs.] --Walton. 2. Intrepid in danger; courageous; brave. A valiant and most expert gentleman. --Shak. And Saul said to David . . . be thou valiant for me, and fight the Lord's battles. --1 Sam. xviii. 17. 3. Performed with valor or bravery; heroic. ``Thou bearest the highest name for valiant acts.'' --Milton. [The saints] have made such valiant confessions. --J. H. Newman. -- Val\"iant*ly, adv. -- Val\"iant*ness, {n}. Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc. valiant adj : having or showing valor; "a valiant attempt to prevent the hijack"; "a valiant soldier" [syn: valorous]
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I just remembered something from the HoMe series about Galadriel and her "other" names. It is stated (in Customs of the Eldar, I think) that from an early age Elves were given their "true" names but also a surname according to some premonition, of sorts, most especially given by the mother. Perhaps when he was born Fingon was given the name "valiant" to denote some sort of "quality" within him that was identified early in childhood, or even at birth?
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I remember too that Elves with "gon" had their names derived from the original Kane which apparently means "valiant".
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so sort of finvaliant the valiant? gets a bit confusing
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...although i'll stand corrected if I am totally wrong!
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Maybe some vailent acts during the firts kinslaying.
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