01-29-2004, 01:08 PM | #1 |
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Did ALL the elves leave after the WoR?
Which Elves did not leave after the War of the Ring?"
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01-29-2004, 01:26 PM | #2 |
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No, Celeborn lingered for a while and left Lorien for Rivendell. I think the sons of Elrond stayed too, but I don't know whether they went West after that or not.
And then undoubtedly some avari-elves that never accepted the summons to come to Valinor.
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Im sure every single one didnt leave. Earnal rite tho, but im sure theres patches everywhere.
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The Calaquendai left, which meant Rivendell was pretty empty.
The Umanyar... most of them stayed, however a few left and Lorien was emptied. The Avari, of course, stuck around. You ain't never getting rid of them, humans. :P
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The Calaquendai left, which meant Rivendell was pretty empty.
The Umanyar... most of them stayed, however a few left and Lorien was emptied. The Avari, of course, stuck around. You ain't never getting rid of them, humans. :P
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01-29-2004, 09:45 PM | #7 |
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Most of the Noldor did leave at the end of the Third Age, but not all. I mean, Sam was able to hitch a ride with some later! But even so, the Avari definitely weren't going.
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I remember a thread a while ago about "fëa": the elves' immortal spirit which inhabits their bodies. (Couldn't find it with a search)
IIRC, the suggestion was that elves who remained in ME would eventually have their bodies consumed by this spirit and turn into creatures without a physical form. Can anyone clarify this? |
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I do recall a fea thread (in the Silmarillion area?) about elf Middle-earth fate. But some of the posts above also opine that the Avari could not opt to head West. Is that so, wouldn't it be more logical, and fair, especially to descendants of Avari from before the First Age, that they could opt to leave Middle-earth?
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I probably can't give a usefull answer here, but I'm surprised nobody's said "Arwen" and "silly question" yet.
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Obviously Arwen wasn't included in the question. Maybe it would be better phrased as "Which Elves did not leave after the War of the Ring?"
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There is no mention that Glorfindel left ME along with Elrond and Galadriel. There were also enough Elves left at Rivendell to continue to inhabit that region well into the 4th Age. Elrond's sons, similar to Arwen, would have lost their Elvish rights so would probably have died a mortal's death.
In the case of the Silvan Elves, they would not have desired to leave ME; Legolas was an exception. However, during the long course of time, they would have faded, as the dominion of Men continued. We don't really know how what the Elves of Lindon did. This would have probably been the most populated and "Elvish" of the Elvish realms that were left in ME in that period.
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The Elves didn't all leave immediately after the War of the Ring, but I think in time most, if not all, would have left. I think they would become weary of Middle-earth.
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Cirdan most certainly left on the "last ship," and with him, it seems most of the Elves of Lindon would go for their duty there (as ship keepers and overseeing the White Towers) was complete. Seems that an elf as noteworthy as Glorfindel was would've been mentioned (if not in his own footnote, perhaps with the brothers and Celeborn) had he lingered in Middle-earth.
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My understanding was that they chose the Elvish way. Just about the only thing we're told about them in LOTR was that they never forgot their "mother's torment" at the hands of the Orcs. It's hard to imagine that, having seen Sauron over thrown, they would pass up the chance to see Celebrian again. |
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