10-13-2005, 11:56 PM | #1 |
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What Happened to Radagast???
I'm just curious, does anyone have any theories on Radagast's fate? It seems like he kind of vanishes after that little incident with Saruman in FOTR. What happened to him??
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Maybe he stayed in Middle-earth. That's my theory until someone trounces it with a HoME or Letters quote.
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10-14-2005, 08:06 PM | #3 |
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yes, he most likely did. liked all the animals and such things.
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then he would have had to have chosen mortality or something then.
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He does pop up in Assasin's Shadow, though...(oops, did I just shamelessly plug my own RPG? )
I'm wondering...did he just like wander around Middle Earth? I just got an idea-what if he turned into Ralph Nader???
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10-15-2005, 05:57 PM | #7 |
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Would that necessarily be considered a punishment for him though? I mean, by all accounts, he would have been more than happy to stay with his furry friends.
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I believe there were, but does that necessarily mean that Radagast would want to leave his established friends?
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10-15-2005, 08:09 PM | #10 |
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i think he remained in middle earth, who knows? maybe he's merlin.....
scratch that, if any of the wizards were merlin it was most likely one of the two unnamed blue wizards who passed into the east and were not heard from again..... geez, why do i always end with a ....?
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10-16-2005, 06:23 AM | #11 | |
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10-16-2005, 02:39 PM | #12 |
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Thanks for the quote, Maerbenn. Ever have you a quote handy!
The animals of Aman are without fear, that means nobody hunts them. Poor Orome must have set aside his bow, once he was denied access to the ME. So it fits, that Radagast has decided to remain in Great Lands to protect birds and beasts there, instead of returning to Aman. |
10-17-2005, 02:41 PM | #13 | |
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10-18-2005, 07:54 AM | #14 |
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OOPS, Sorry. I was too unattentive and hasty in reading this quote. Indeed I missed the two points in fëar. Yes, I know what a fëa means...
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In the essay “The Istari” in Unfinished Tales, Tolkien wrote
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In The Hobbit, Beorn is rather well-disposed toward Radagast, and hence toward Gandalf, Bilbo, and the dwarves; without Beorn’s help at two crucial junctures – immediately after their escape from the orcs coupled with his good advice before their entry into Mirkwood, and later his appearance at the Battle of Five Armies – the Quest for Erebor would have failed. Radagast’s reputation for honesty and decency was perhaps the deciding factor here. Consider what Gandalf had to say to the Council of Elrond immediately after the quote above: Quote:
Was Radagast true to his mission? Tolkien says no, so we are left with the conclusion that Radagast was not true to his mission. In his defense, however, Radagast was instrumental in Gandalf’s escapes once the Ring appeared, twice from the orcs (through his good relations with Beorn) and once from the clutches of the fallen Saruman, and he was in fact the motivator of Gandalf’s escape from Orthanc. Saruman suffered a fate similar to Sauron’s, at least superficially: both Maiar dissolved into a smoke or cloud, and were blown away by the wind. (Tolkien specifically says “out of the West came a cold wind” that blew away Saruman’s spirit; in Sauron’s case, he writes that “a great wind took it, and it was all blown away, and passed”, but he does not say from which direction the wind came; a North wind had been blowing before the battle at the Black Gate began, but perhaps there was a change in the winds of fortune when the Ring was destroyed.) Later in the essay “The Istari”, Christopher Tolkien expresses his opinion that Quote:
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10-18-2005, 04:46 PM | #16 |
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I can see no reason for him to be banned passage back to the west should he seek it ... as Alcuin states ... he was not corrupted ... we can question how true to his mission he was ... thus perhaps not earning great glory ... but he was not a traitor ... as others have stated he may have remained in middle earth .. and perhaps still does ...
he was ever from what we can tell happy to live a secluded existence ... maybe Yavanna would be pleased with him?? But then as each to their own were less than faithful in their own ways ..perhaps his neglecting his primary concerns for men and elves etc for the flora and esp fauna, could be seen as a form of corruption ... merely a gentler one? If this is true then effectively to some degree he turned his back on his mission to middle earth ... though i still doubt he would be barred from the west. |
10-18-2005, 05:16 PM | #17 |
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His mission in ME was to help fight Sauron. Radagast and the Blue Wizards forsook that mission almost immediatly from what I can tell. Saruman indirectly fought against Sauron for a time before he was corrupted.
IMO the reason Saruman wasn't allowed back into the West was more about him forsaking his mission than it was about him becoming corrupted.
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10-23-2005, 04:01 PM | #18 |
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I have no HOME books or Letters of Tolkien at hand to reference from, but there are varying accounts of the Blue Wizards' actions in ME. (We all know how much the prof liked to revise.) In one version, they did aid men in the East, and I think they were important in making the victory over Sauron possible.
Back to the topic: Seeing as Yavanna was the one to champion Radagast's inclusion in the Istari, I think his main role was not merely to council men, but rather to foster good relations between human civilzations and the olvar and kelvar. This and other good results would have been better accomplished had all the istari worked together more closely. I don't believe that Radagast did leave Middle Earth after the victory over Sauron. He cared too much about the olvar and kelvar of Middle Earth to just be able to leave them without his protection and care. |
11-21-2005, 11:23 AM | #19 |
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Let's face it the Istari, as a team, were utter pants. You can just imagine them landing on Middle Earth's shores.
Gandalf: And so our task starts, my brothers. Let us start to battle the shadow that threatens all of Middle Earth BW1: Are you thinking what I'm thing BW2? BW2: I think I AM BW1.... BW1: We don't feel like battling the shadow right now. BW2: That journey was the pits. We need a holiday. BW1: Yeah the East sounds nice. Gandalf: Erm... the East? Well you may find that Sauron's evil even now engulfs the East. Yes, go my friends, and should you find the shadow festers there make sure you... BW2: ...avoid it like the plague? No probs. BW1: Er no he wants us to fight it. BW2: Fight it? Yeah, I meant that. Ok, bye! Exit BWs 1 & 2 Gandalf: Ahem, so it falls upon we three to scour North, South and West in our quest to destroy Sauron and his work. Saruman: Yes, I suppose we should. Such a shame though isn't it? Gandalf: What? Saruman: I mean, he's achieved so MUCH. You know in a sense you've got to admire him. Sort of. Don't you think? Gandalf: Not really, no... Saruman: Ok, shutting up now. I'll go south and find, I dunno, an impregnable fortified tower as a secret base for world domination - er I mean for resisting Sauron... Exit Saruman Gandalf: Radagast, surely you are still whole-hearted about our task? Radagast: But of course. The monstrous evil that is Sauron must not be allowed to take root and thrive. I shall spare no effort to find him. I shall risk all to defy him. I shall... ooh look! A bunny! A bunny! Gandalf: Oh for goodness sake...
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11-21-2005, 09:34 PM | #20 |
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That's a pretty good interpretation. Better than Cliff's Notes, I think!
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