03-19-2003, 06:28 PM | #1 |
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Metaphysical discussion
I couldn't find a thread dealing with metaphysical questions, so I'll start one now.
Here are some questions (which were discussed off-topic in this Vampire thread, we can continue the discussion here): Is reality the same for everyone, or is reality experienced differently from person to person? For example, we all live in the same world. However some people believe that the world contains a divine power, a God. Since God might be very present in the lives of the religiously inclined, are they living in a "reality" of their own? Are the atheists living in another "reality" too? Or are we all living our lives in a computer generated world Ă* la Matrix? If something can't be seen or proved, can it still exist? Can supernatural things occur, or is there an explanation to everything, just that we can't always find the explanation? Is there magic in the world? What is love? Is there love?
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03-19-2003, 06:36 PM | #2 |
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Yowza. Where should I start....
First thanks for the thread. I didnt mean to suggest that we should ignore vampires and talk about bigger issues I just love topics like this thats all. Well I'll take on the love thing first. Yeah love exists. Its an emotion. Its verfiable because it is part of our mating and bonding ritual as sentient beings. It allows us to bond to a mate and overcome self protective mechanisms that would otherwise not allow us to protect our mate and our offspring. Now "love" may be different from person to person but the basic idea is generally the same accross the species. It can probably even be measured by monitering things like hormonal and adrenal shifts in a person when the object of their love is with them as opposed to when a stranger is with them. Pupil dialations, heart rythem changes, flushing of the capaleries leading to the skin, cuticular hair folicles are engorged with blood and stand up. All that sort of thing. Sorry, Im taking all the fun out of it arent I. *laugh*
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03-19-2003, 06:39 PM | #3 |
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Wow, nice definition of love! That should make those poor wretches who don't believe in love to start believing
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From the Vampires thread:
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What IR was talking about measuring sounds more like the 'fleshly' desires than actual love, the abstract.
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03-19-2003, 07:00 PM | #5 |
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I agree with you that I can't really know which couples are "fleshy" and which are "loving". But it's an encouraging thought to know that there is "real love" in the world
And I believe that love, "real" or not, can somewhat be measured in the ways that Insidious Rex described.
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03-19-2003, 07:05 PM | #6 |
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But how do you know it is there? You can't see it, or hear it, or something.
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03-19-2003, 07:18 PM | #7 |
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It depends on your definition of 'real' love. To me, it is not something as passionate and fleeting as the 'other' kind, but something more passive, permanent, deep, and I suppose one might say spiritual, though that really doesn't fit very well, but it's the best thing I can find. The love I am speaking of, I highly doubt can be measured through such things. The pupils would be permanently dilated, the heart rate would be permanently altered, and so on.
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03-19-2003, 08:01 PM | #8 |
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Gah, didn't know Mooters were deep....
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03-19-2003, 08:09 PM | #9 | |
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03-19-2003, 08:12 PM | #10 | |
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03-19-2003, 09:30 PM | #11 |
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I already knew that love was scientifically explained, and I'm glad that it is. Whether or not it's spiritual also is a matter of personal experience, belief or opinion.
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03-19-2003, 10:38 PM | #12 |
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Well I suppose we'll need a specific definition of "spiritual".
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03-20-2003, 01:27 AM | #13 |
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No there is not a specific metaphysical tread per se but this topics have been discussed here before.
I am pressed for time but maybe if you PM the following they might porvide links for you beard of pants anduril blackheart cirdan mathron
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03-20-2003, 01:39 AM | #14 |
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Here you go:
http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...highlight=zeno http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...ght=relativism http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...ght=relativism http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...ght=relativism http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...ight=serotonin http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...ight=serotonin http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...ight=serotonin
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03-20-2003, 01:50 AM | #15 |
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afro-elf you been busy lately or something?
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03-20-2003, 01:54 AM | #16 |
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Also check the archive threads.
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Re: Metaphysical discussion
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This leads me to the following question, Jonathan. Are you in contact with witches, wizards, New Ageists, Satanists, psychics, or those that actually do claim to have magical power? Because if so, and if you have challenged the existence of their power, then you would be able to hear or observe from a first hand source its existence. If you haven't, then you can't say that the supernatural doesn't exist. And if something can't be seen or proved, it definitely can exist. For example, our technology will never unravel all the secrets of this awesome universe we live in. There are some things that we will never discover; with our planet and vision simply cannot reach that far. However, our lack of knowledge of something definitely doesn't show that it deosn't exist. If there's no way to prove that something exists, there also can be no proof that it doesn't exist. And this is not a misplaced burden of proof. Something beyond human comprehension doesn't require human comprehension to be able to exist. Do atoms require that guinea pigs comprehend them in order to exist? |
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Re: Re: Metaphysical discussion
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Re: Re: Re: Metaphysical discussion
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Just another form of realities differing from person to person - we base it on what we see & what we have experienced. Unless something happens to you or you have first hand experience of it, it would be difficult to assimilate it to your reality.
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