02-09-2006, 06:43 PM | #1 |
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Bush Reveals Al-Qaeda Plot.
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George Bush reveals an al-Qaeda plot to fly a plne into Library Tower, LA, in 2002.
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02-09-2006, 06:47 PM | #2 |
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Im guessing they are implying (but refusing to say) that it was unwarrented domestic spying that foiled this attack right?
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02-09-2006, 08:18 PM | #3 |
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Funny...great timing, right when his poll numbers dropped. I am probably betting alongside IR.
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I'm very grateful that President Bush's policies have successfully warded off terror from our shores for all this time. I know more terrorist attacks are going to get through eventually, but this defense against terror is wonderful for our nation.
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02-09-2006, 08:27 PM | #5 |
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It would be very ironic if Bush lost his NSA program to the dems, and then we had an attack. Guess who'd be reelected AGAIN!
The timing is fishy, but still. A lot of liberal columnists keep harping on about how illegal the spying program is, though really the only thing they can seem to boil down to is how much they hate Bush. If the special courts had approved it, it would be the same thing it is now. OK, so it's illegal. What now? Will we special court it, and put it back to work? Or ditch it? Bush doesn't want to hear the conversations you have with your girlfriend about football, and other things...I'm sure the whole thing is a much lesser deal than we make it out to be. I've got nothing to hide.
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two (rather OT) comments -
I figured they'd be aiming in LA's direction sometime soon ... (on the bright side - maybe they'll hit Hollywood! ) and ... I just love Arabic script! and an interesting thought - was it "unwarranted" if it stopped a terrorist attack? Illegal is another question, of course.
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02-10-2006, 04:59 AM | #11 |
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LOL Rian.
I think we can be assured that if it was as a result of domestic spying we would have been told about it. From what I've read, it was from the operations by foreign nations. It's classic doublethink: if there's no attack, it's because the policies are working; if there's an attack, it justifies the need for the policies. Last edited by The Gaffer : 02-10-2006 at 05:05 AM. |
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02-10-2006, 02:49 PM | #14 |
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Good point, IRex. That suddenly just made me think of Sen. Joseph McCarthy, and the "Red scare," and the blacklisting and life-ruining that went on back then. You guys remember that lovely period of 20th century history?
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02-13-2006, 10:42 AM | #16 |
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It was necessary. It is still necessary because the media have exposed the program and the bad guys will change communications for a while but they may go back if the left wing supresses this option. It's protecting the USA, not getting a bj in the oval office
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It is abuse of executive power - not going through judicial branch at all. President just had to go to the FISA courts - but he did not. Only a few senators and/or congressmen knew a little about it. Bush went completely around the system. That is why many members of the Senate are pissed too,e ven republicans.
If Bush went about the spying the correct and legal way, then there would be no problem - or not as much of a problem. The problem is the way in whch he did it. Spying without a warrant - huge violation of constitution. FISA made it a crime to intentionally engage in electronic surveillance without court approval. The president clearly violated the law when he authorized, and then repeatedly reauthorized, the NSA to spy on Americans without first obtaining a warrant. That answer your question, Lief?
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NO violation "Congress grants all power to the President to pursue terrorists". Right or wrong they gave the power and he used it, sparingly.
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