01-17-2004, 09:31 AM | #1 |
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I was just thinking of this when I posted that I fenced for my House at Eton- what is the American view on exclusive schools that one must pass an exam to gain entry to and pay for? Eton is, of course, the premier such school of England I will defend it to the death but what is the view of Americans on such schools?
Floreat Etona (May Eton Flourish)!
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01-17-2004, 09:51 AM | #2 |
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I go to a private school - 'Stewarts Melville College'. Its just down the road from 'Fettes College' - where our grand old priminister went, Tony Blair.
There in Edinburgh btw lol
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01-17-2004, 11:06 AM | #3 |
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There's a lot of private schools where I live. I went to one myself for high school as well as a grade school one. They weren't cheap (especially the high school) but they were ok. Nothing spectacular in my opinion though.
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01-17-2004, 11:29 AM | #5 |
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My school is £8000 a year, or $11860. Total waste o money if u ask me...
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01-17-2004, 02:21 PM | #7 |
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I'd say overall my school fits well with what Twista said. It's good, but still a waste of money. If parents are looking to shelter their kids a little better by putting them into private schools so they get the best of everything then I'd tell you that it's a load of garbage.
Still, school is school so it's fun as long as you can avoid doing work.
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01-17-2004, 03:55 PM | #8 |
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I went to a private primary school, and then a state grammar school, so one fee-paying and one exam-passing one The private school was definitely worth it, because the primary schools around here are terrible. My parents were a little uncomfortable about it ideologically, but in my view, if you can afford to give your children the best, why not? The question of course is whether private/public schools are always the best. Eton wouldn't work for everybody, I would imagine
Radagast, why are you asking for the American view in particular? Do you think Americans will have a different view from other nationalities? Just curious...
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01-17-2004, 06:58 PM | #9 |
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I went to a private Catholic school up until high school when my family moved to another state. It was a day school, there are no dorms there. It was coed. I was a cheerleader there and our rival school was across the river, another Catholic School. But we played other schools also.
I was a cheerleader mostly because I was small, nimble, could dance well, and I had no fear. I was always the one at the top of the pyramid, and even though I wasn't always caught when we came down, I still got up and did it again, regardless of the bruises (which healed pretty quick). And I never broke a bone, ever. I was unbreakable! Would I defend my school? From what? And why would I care? I wouldn't even defend the high school or college I attended. People put too much of their own pride in things they have no control over, such as, sports, schools, towns, etc. |
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That having been said - we have a lot of private schools here. In my area there is - off the top of my head (this is not religious schools) - there are these private boarding schools (you don't have to necessarily board there though). The Hun School of Princeton - Princeton NJ Peddie School - Hightstown, NJ Lawrenceville School - Lawrenceville, NJ Rutgers Preparatory School - Somerset, NJ Peddie, Hun and Lawrenceville are 10 minutes from me (Peddie to the southeast, Hun to the southwest and Lawrenceville just a little bit south of Hun). I was friends with people who went to Hun. This is an example of Peddie - which I pass by whenever I go to Great Adventure, my cousins or the shore- Quote:
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Here is a listing of all the schools in NJ NJ School Directory I have the feeling Radagast that you didn't think we had anything similar to Eton here in the US. Let me know if I was wrong.
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I have pride in my school but I'd never defend it. For one, private schools are very rarely democratic. In fact, there have been a large number of occasions where at my school the students or parents would be upset with something that they could do nothing about because the school was not part of any state or county system and therefor was not subject to many state laws governing schools. Which meant basically that it was harder to do things such as have a teacher's ability challenged or even file certain lawsuits. The administration in private school is from my experience very tight, and usually wants nothing to do with the state in itself. Whereas we are garuanteed a public education, private school consider it your privaledge to be schooled by them, but also exercise the right to remove you for any reason and other such ridiculous laws that by contract you must abide by if you want to attend.
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If you have had problems with your school - I would assume you would leave - especially if they were bad enough. There are tons of private schools in NJ - and you are welcome to go to any of them. I had an hour bus ride to go to my school from Kendall Park to Piscataway (this included the stops to pick up students). Why do you stay if you have had problems? Also - my response to Ruinel was because she also said "towns, etc".
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They are still viewed as somewhat prestigious, so they do offer some type of advantage. But when it boils down to it it's just like paying more to have a designer label on your shirt. Pride in my school only goes as far as it would help me in getting into a good college. just like you'd buy a nice shirt because you have pride in your image. I don't have pride for the type of thread or the way the buttons are sewn on just like I don't have pride for the the quality of the education I recieved or the atmosphere in which I recieved it. [edit]I can't really address the town issue either. Except that it might just be an issue of getting the lowest property taxes, in which case people could give a damn about anything as long as they are paying less. But if you are an active participant in your town in some way then yes, you should be proud of it. But that all depends. People could be stuck living there whether they like it or not. Same thing goes for state or country. They can't move every time something happens that they don't like.[edit]
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People don't have to have pride - but that doesn't mean it's stupid to have pride in something like your school or state or town.
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I never said that it was stupid, but pride has it's limits. Obviously when something goes wrong you aren't going to back that up. I guess I give so little pride because my town's public school is very good too. I don't live in a very rich town or anything, but we do get a good education here. And it's wrong to believe in the concept that just because you went to a private school that you are somehow smarter. That is taking pride too far, and it annoys me when a) people do that or b) people think I am something special for attending a private school. On another point, did you see some special on Comedy Central where this one guy was bashing Jersey? The jokes were so bad I had to break something. He put on such a strained Jeresy accent that it didn't even sound like it came from Jeresy City. It made me think that people were just laughing at somebody on stage who had downs syndrome or autism.
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I know this is somewhat off topic - but I'll add this in here..
By the way Radagast this may also surprise you and many people inside and outside New Jersey, but New Jersey also has a long tradition of Fox Hunting. Quote:
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Well as the for the sports teams, I'd have to agree whether I took pride in them or not. But as for the school in general I'd defend it just because I think they are wrong. But I'd do that for any school depending if the statement was erroneous. For example, I do not consider myself a religious person even though I have been brought up as a christian, but if somebody said that Christianity or religion is useless I'd debate wtih them on why it is not.
I think that to begin with we have a different meaning for the word "pride". In general, I only take pride in things on a very individual level where I know that I am in control of every aspect. Once it widens out I have less and less pride because there are other branches that i do not have contact with and therefor if someone where to confront me on these issues I could not successfully answer for them. I still have some measure of pride but not as much because it would get easier and easier for somebody to lock me in a standoff or weave my own words around me.
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