08-20-2004, 03:53 AM | #1 |
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Why Aragorn?
This is probably answered somewhere but why didnt Arathorn take up the throne. WHy didnt any of Aragorn's fore-fathers take up the throne? I mean Aragorn is a great first king and all but wouldn't it make sense for any of Aragorns fore-fathers to have reclaimed the throne. THis is probably answered somewhere very obviously but I cant find it so either someone tell me straight up what the answer is or discuss.
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Read Appendix A... one of his ancestors tried it a thousand years before... while they still had a country up in the North. After they were rejected then, there was no chance of Gondor giving the throne up to a wandering vagabond over a small, scattered people - just because his ancestors had once been kings. At least not until Aragorn came along and saved their skins.
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Imagine Aragorn had come before the Gondorean Council and Denethor the way he appeared to the Hobbits in the Prancing Pony. He wouldn't have had a chance.
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so in fact the line of stweards and the people of Gondor were all snooty and upstuck and they didnt care if they would have been happier with a king. Especially when Aragorn came cuz he would have done something about that whole Sauron regrouping hsi froeces thing. SO in conclusion... blame GONDOR.
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Who says they would be happier with a King? Also, I don't think they counted the Dunedain of the North as their 'potential' kings.. I mean, it doesn't seem like Boromir knows what's going on in the outside world.
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yeah I guess. But still its their own fault for secluding themselves ya know. So if they had opened up to outsiders then they would have heard rumours of the line of kings maybe met a couple of them and then gradually over the years the kingship could be reinstated. SO to reiterate Gondors fault.
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Guess they just expected more in the way of a visible, powerful appearance from a potential king (this is starting to sound familiar... ). Not looking for someone from what appeared to be a humble birth.
OTOH, I've wondered if Aragorn had a chance years earlier... in his days as 'Thorongil'! (more reason to check out Appendix A... good reading! )
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Wow this kind of sounds like King Arthur where some people were on his side but not all and he had to prove himself in battle to get his followers. Kinda funny but then TOlkien was drawing on a lot of stuff from ancient tales and myths so its reasonable King Arthur would be in there.
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In any case, it was rather convenient for Gondor that the man who:
.... also was of royal blood so they didn't have to worry about putting a peasant on the throne. You know, thinking back, this Aragorn fellow is just too good to be true...
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Very good. However the king of the dead thing was open to anyone with the line of ISildur so that and kingship are one. But all the others are a littl etoo good to be true
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Aragorn was the only one left in Middle-earth of the Line of Isildur. Oh, and his healing the wounded after the battle won him many hearts.
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Don't forget that even Aragorn was told that he has yet to earn the heirloom of Arnor, and for 30 years he was recklessly tried to prove that he is worthy of honor. ( Like he doesn't have the lawfull right by being the heir of the last King of Arnor!) He, probably, would live and die, as his 15 predecessors, hoping that "his time will come", if he wouldn't hopelessly fell in love.This un undestructable love impelled him to take some actions to get Sauron out of his comfortable ignorance. The *** hit the fan, speeding up the events. Suddenly, the 3 Rings turned out under the treat to be exposed. Elves had to turn to the "crisis plan" for their protection: work in direction of putting on the throne of the most powerful neighboring coutry a Man, who will be loyal and protective to the diminishing Elves. Aragorn would never got to nowhere if the Elves would still thought that "the time did not come yet". Without reforged by the Elves sword and ,the most important ,without the tip on the only true detector of his ligimacy as a successor of Numenorian Kings, the Stone of Erech, he would hardly win the battle for Gondor. This is in the nutshell.The discussion in details probably will be too hard to stomach for the siding to "the nice elves" theory Mooters. Last edited by Olmer : 08-20-2004 at 08:43 PM. |
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I'd be interested to hear this evidence, Olmer.
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Wait Olmer are you saying he had a son before Arwen. Also where was hi sbrother during all of this? Was he hiding in some hole iun the ground withthe other rangers or was he on some quest that Aragorn gave him. If he had a son and brother I would be upset with JRRT because that makes no sense unless there is some really good reason.
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Aragorn himself was very careful not to reveal his true identity and claim anything for himself. He didn't even want to enter the city after the Pelennor battle, the only reason he did so was to help Faramir, Eowyn and Merry.
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Were all of Aragorns ancestors raised in Rivendell? I thought only Aragorn was raised there and that his mother brought him there to protect him.
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I don't remember the reference, but it is said somewhere that it was a tradition of Rivendell to take care of the families of the descendants of Isildur from the North Kingdom. I'll try to find the reference later today.
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