10-22-2002, 05:54 PM | #1 | |
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Finarfin's Choice
Do you think that Finarfin made the right choice when he decided to return to Valinor?
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Remember, that the Kinslaying ocurred in Alqualondë, and Finarfin retraced his steps in the Wastes of Araman, which is north of Alqualondë; he could have returned after the Kinslaying, yet it took the Doom of Mandos to turn him back.
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.” As an adjective American is: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere. As a noun American is: A native or inhabitant of America. A citizen of the United States. Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again: 1. The United States. 2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America. Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?” The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.” The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance. |
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10-22-2002, 09:39 PM | #2 |
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I can well understand a duty to lead what of his people he can away from an expedition begun in theft and murder.
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10-22-2002, 09:45 PM | #3 | |
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10-22-2002, 10:14 PM | #4 | |
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.” As an adjective American is: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere. As a noun American is: A native or inhabitant of America. A citizen of the United States. Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again: 1. The United States. 2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America. Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?” The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.” The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance. |
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10-23-2002, 02:11 AM | #5 |
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Time passes, and things change. Let's say America has an option of giving six billion dollars of foreign aid to some remote country that was impoverished. It might decide to send the money now. If it sends it now though, the money might all be squandered because of lack of proper management. Then on the other hand, you can wait two years and then send it, when they have better management. Then they can use the money to bring themselves out of their misery. What is right at one time can be wrong at another, and visa versa.
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10-23-2002, 06:57 PM | #6 |
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I don't think there is any way in which it was not the right choice. He realized how wrong the Rebellion was, he repented. Two thumbs up. His sons and people had their own choices to make, and maybe many who repented when Finarfin did would not have had he not.
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.” As an adjective American is: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere. As a noun American is: A native or inhabitant of America. A citizen of the United States. Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again: 1. The United States. 2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America. Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?” The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.” The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance. |
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10-25-2002, 07:47 PM | #9 | |
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.” As an adjective American is: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere. As a noun American is: A native or inhabitant of America. A citizen of the United States. Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again: 1. The United States. 2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America. Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?” The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.” The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance. |
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10-25-2002, 08:00 PM | #11 |
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Yet, he turned back.
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.” As an adjective American is: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere. As a noun American is: A native or inhabitant of America. A citizen of the United States. Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again: 1. The United States. 2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America. Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?” The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.” The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance. |
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.” As an adjective American is: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere. As a noun American is: A native or inhabitant of America. A citizen of the United States. Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again: 1. The United States. 2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America. Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?” The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.” The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance. |
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Also, Finrod, Angrod, Aegnor and Galadriel were hardly children. They had the right to choose for themselves. Finarfin could not have forced them to go one way or another. And I am sure the matter was discussed. I cannot imagine Finarfin picking up his bags and going hope without a word to any of his family (and there were twenty-one other family members present, counting the Feanorians).
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Little wonder, too, that many kept on, given Feanor's mood that day. Already when they left Tirion he had addressed the Elder King himself in the second person familiar and had even dared to bid His messenger inform Him that maybe Eru had set within Feanor "a fire greater than thou knowest." And the messenger then had bowed as one full answered and departed. And, indeed, maybe Eru had. As Manwe said when he heard report of Feanor's answer: Quote:
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11-08-2002, 08:18 AM | #17 |
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Ñolendil have it right, remember that not all the Ñoldor desired to go, especially after the words of Mandos. He did not return alone. By returning he most probably convinced many undecided to do the same (thus sparing them the dark days ahead). For those that still would go, Fingolfin and Finrod were valiant and capable leaders.
But why would he wait for the words of Mandos to return? I believe that he was divided. Part of him considered his duty to go. Loyalty to his people and brothers took precedence over his desire to stay (and as Sister Golden Hair said, he probably didn’t desire to be separated from his children, too). But when Mandos spoke his words he was released of what he saw as his obligation. Now not to go would be the only “morally right” choice (otherwise he would be acting in open rebellion against the appointed representatives of Eru).
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