07-23-2006, 09:15 PM | #1 |
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remorse for bad guys?
does anyone here feel any sort of sorrow or remorse for the "bad guys" of Middle EArth? I know I do. I totally have a soft spot in my heart for Feanor and for Sauron as well. I am convinced that something horrible had to have happened for Sauron to have joined Morgoth/Melkor. I am convinced!!!
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07-23-2006, 11:41 PM | #2 |
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Not me! I hate em...they can all go to that crazy place called....hell! I like the good guys, evil=BORING!
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07-23-2006, 11:54 PM | #3 |
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I usually do have pity on the bad guys but Melkor for example just doesn't leave much room for my to like him. I always thought of LotR as being a story where in particular I mostly loved the good guys and hated the bad guys. I can at some points find reasons why I would respect some of them, but generally not at all.
Now of course I don't think of Feanor as a bad guy. If he was to be considered a bad guy then yes, I do feel sympathy for him. I love him. -_- |
07-24-2006, 01:42 AM | #4 |
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I have a lot of sympathy for Feanor and Smeagol. and I love Feanor as well.
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07-24-2006, 02:32 AM | #5 |
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Fëanor wasn't really a bad guy, just misguided by Sauron, who was a thoroughly bad guy.
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07-24-2006, 03:03 AM | #6 |
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Yeah i kind of understand what happened to feanor i just read his story.
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07-24-2006, 10:45 AM | #8 |
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Well, as you all know, I do like the nazgul - very much so.
Apart from that, I do feel pity for Melkor himself. He was the most creative guy among the Ainur, and he was never appreciated by his envious colleagues. Neither was he approved by daddy-Eru in anything he did. Feanor is a similar case, too talented and fiery for his own good. Sauron seems more of a cold calculating evil type, so less appealing to me. Saruman I thoroughly dislike. He is a traitor and a double traitor to boot. Barlogs never had much choice - lesser spirits faithful to Melkor. Who else there is? |
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07-24-2006, 11:41 AM | #10 |
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I don't know man, I always remember it saying Feanor was decieved by the lies of Melkor, not Sauron. Wasn't it Melkor that turned him against the Valar and Fingolfin and all that? It's been kind of a while for me reading but I don't remember much of what Sauron was up to at the time.
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07-24-2006, 01:13 PM | #11 |
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Well, it's been a while since i read the Sil too, so I might be wrong.
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07-24-2006, 02:57 PM | #12 |
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It was Morgoth.
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07-24-2006, 03:58 PM | #13 |
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I have no love loss for Sauron or any other immortal. The only 'bad guy' I feel true remorse for is Smeagol. Poor, poor Smeagol. Here's a guy out fishin' with his bestest buddie when they come across the most evil thing in all of Middle-Earth. It causes him to kill his friend, spy on his family and such, and turns him into a twisted being. His only wish was to catch a fish, so juicy sweet, you know.
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now Sauron....as was mentioned, he loved order (not evil in itself) and was for the most part seduced by Melkor. (this of course makes me dislike Melkor all the more while my sympathy for Sauron increases) He also felt remorse for his allegience to Melkor as well as his actions at the end of the War of Wrath. Melkor feigned his remorse for his evil works. As we all know, I am in absolute LOVE with Feanor so I could never see him as a "bad guy"! seriously though, he was brilliant and ....once again...Melkor proves to be the downfall of yet another great being. Free Will....hmmm....although I do believe in it, I just think that sometimes people do what they do b/c they have been brainwashed. does that make sense? Last edited by Arien the Maia : 07-24-2006 at 10:07 PM. |
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Feanor was indeed good, but was corrupted and made desperate by morgoth's lies and murder of his father; how crazy would you get it that happened to you, who's father was first in aman to have their blood spilled in violence.
I always wished I could smite morgoth myself, and sauron, and maeglin and saruman; sympathy, for them, never!!! I will say the only characters that did evil deeds, that a feel sympathy for are Maedhros and Maglor. Killing Dior was an evil deed (how could they) and attacking Elwing at the havens was another. But we all know that being the elder sons of their father they felt it was up to them honor their father's wishes and hold to the oath what e'er the cost. Olorin should have fried worm tongue where he slithered, pathetic wretch. PS. OK, maybe denethor needs sympathy too, maybe, but just; he almost killed Faramir for Eru's sake.
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