So what do we think happened to the brothers of elwing?

Dwarven Sen · 04-10-2002, 08:26 AM

So what do we think happened to the brothers of elwing?
It's a simple enough question. When Doriath was finally taken over and elves killed elves AGAIN the sons of feanor killed dior and nimloth and Elured and Elurin were thrown to the forest. But surely elves can survive in a forest, especially ones from the line of beren who was friend to living things.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 04-10-2002, 12:11 PM

The Sil indicates that they were very small children at the time, so they probably were not able to fin for themselves and died of starvation. IMO.

galadriel · 04-16-2002, 07:22 PM

I would like to believe that they somehow made it. But realistically, I'm inclined to agree that they died; they were just little kids.

Tar-Elendil · 05-07-2002, 09:46 PM

i believe in the book of lost tales 2 it says that they were slew by the Sons of Fëanor

Finrod Felagund · 05-08-2002, 08:24 AM

No, not slain but left to die in the woods and they disappeared.

afro-elf · 05-08-2002, 12:03 PM

maybe they were eaten by rabid hobbits

Ñólendil · 05-08-2002, 05:05 PM

Afro-elf, you dog, I was going to do an eaten-by-something joke!

afro-elf · 05-08-2002, 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by Ñólendil
Afro-elf, you dog, I was going to do an eaten-by-something joke!

hey i'm an AFRO-elf

that should be DAWG hommie

Tar-Elendil · 05-08-2002, 07:59 PM

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No, not slain but left to die in the woods and they disappeared.

i dont recall that, though i havent reead it in awhile..could you tell me on which page it says that?...

Tar-Elendil · 05-08-2002, 08:05 PM

in the book of lost tales 2 elwing has only one brother, whose name was Auredhir

Tar-Elendil · 05-08-2002, 08:09 PM

book of lost tales two page 242 "The Nauglafring".
"..they fell unawares on Dior, and Dior and Auredhir were slain.."
they being the sons of fëanor

DraztiK · 08-31-2002, 08:16 AM

Maybe Elwing's brothers survived in the woods, but stayed small due to not taking their vitamins, and thus the Hobbits came into existing.

(hm, nice idea for a fanfic, eh?)

UnStashable · 08-31-2002, 01:30 PM

Also have to remember that the woods that two infants were put into could very well have been swarming with orcs, trolls, Wargs, and other such charismatic creatures of Melkor.

Radagast The Brown · 08-31-2002, 02:46 PM

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originally posted by Tar Elendil
"..they fell unawares on Dior, and Dior and Auredhir were slain.."

If you are right, he (the one brother) died in the war, what means all your theories are wrong.

Bertuthiel · 08-31-2002, 02:57 PM

I have always stuck to what's in the Sil, that they were left on their own in the forest. Interestingly enough, when push came to shove, the Sons of Feanor repented and went looking for the two lost tots, aged approx. 2-4 years old. [Walking but incapable of caring for themselves.] They were not found, nor any trace of them. it as assumed that some animals had carried them off to a lair, leaving no trace in the open.
How sad...if they had only thought about the consequences of their action before they left them, the kiddies might have lived.
it was a great source of woe afterwards. And it marked the brothers ever after as child killers.

galadriel · 09-01-2002, 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by DraztiK
Maybe Elwing's brothers survived in the woods, but stayed small due to not taking their vitamins, and thus the Hobbits came into existing.

Hehe... what a story to tell kids to make them eat their vegetables. Except, with the recent movie mania, a little kid would *want* to be a hobbit.

Willow Oran · 09-01-2002, 10:03 PM

What is likely is that they died. What is nicer to think is that maybe there was some friendly maia, (such as Olorin) wandering around in disguise as the books say that some of them did and found the two little elflings and took them back to Valinor with him/her. Highly unlikely but you can always hope that that's what happened.

Nibs · 09-02-2002, 12:10 AM

Well, I seem to recall that, in effect, they were never heard from again. They may as well be dead, as far as the history of Middle Earth is concerned...

Beleg Strongbow · 09-20-2002, 01:30 PM

unless the hobbits descended from them...

Lefty Scaevola · 09-21-2002, 11:11 PM

Elve are just barely subject to death by privation or exposure, so if they persished in the woods, it would most likely be to some casualty, a beast, a mauradur, being tracked down an murdered by one of the Feanorians after a PR showing of them being shooed off alive.

04-10-2002, 08:26 AM	#1
Dwarven Sen Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Edinburgh University Library Posts: 410	So what do we think happened to the brothers of elwing? So what do we think happened to the brothers of elwing? It's a simple enough question. When Doriath was finally taken over and elves killed elves AGAIN the sons of feanor killed dior and nimloth and Elured and Elurin were thrown to the forest. But surely elves can survive in a forest, especially ones from the line of beren who was friend to living things. __________________ Destroy the dementors not the demented. Dont heckle the supervillain Note to Self: Remember that sarcasm is hard to detect from text. What ever you do, don't click this link! my LJ

04-16-2002, 07:22 PM	#3
galadriel Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: a castle made of clouds Posts: 459	I would like to believe that they somehow made it. But realistically, I'm inclined to agree that they died; they were just little kids. __________________ Human kind cannot bear very much reality. dreamflower - for all things Lady Galadriel

05-07-2002, 09:46 PM	#4
Tar-Elendil Númenorean Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,050	i believe in the book of lost tales 2 it says that they were slew by the Sons of Fëanor __________________ Why can we not be sober..

05-08-2002, 08:24 AM	#5
Finrod Felagund King of Nargothrond Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada! eh? Posts: 2,002	No, not slain but left to die in the woods and they disappeared. __________________ "THE EAGLES ARE COMING, THE EAGLES ARE COMING......AND A MOTH!!!!!"

05-08-2002, 12:03 PM	#6
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	maybe they were eaten by rabid hobbits __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

04-10-2002, 12:11 PM	#2
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	The Sil indicates that they were very small children at the time, so they probably were not able to fin for themselves and died of starvation. IMO.

05-08-2002, 05:05 PM	#7
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Afro-elf, you dog, I was going to do an eaten-by-something joke! __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

05-08-2002, 08:05 PM	#10
Tar-Elendil Númenorean Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,050	in the book of lost tales 2 elwing has only one brother, whose name was Auredhir __________________ Why can we not be sober..

05-08-2002, 08:09 PM	#11
Tar-Elendil Númenorean Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,050	book of lost tales two page 242 "The Nauglafring". "..they fell unawares on Dior, and Dior and Auredhir were slain.." they being the sons of fëanor __________________ Why can we not be sober..

08-31-2002, 08:16 AM	#12
DraztiK Enting Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Mol, Belgium Posts: 94	Maybe Elwing's brothers survived in the woods, but stayed small due to not taking their vitamins, and thus the Hobbits came into existing. (hm, nice idea for a fanfic, eh?) __________________ The name's DraztiK, but those whose name isn't totally blasted into Oblivion yet may call me DraZ... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Our Armies in England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales Our Brothers in Belgium, Holland and France will not fail. Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Italy, Switzerland, Austria, back to the Glory of Germany! ~Manowar - Blood of the Kings~

08-31-2002, 01:30 PM	#13
UnStashable Enting Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 52	Also have to remember that the woods that two infants were put into could very well have been swarming with orcs, trolls, Wargs, and other such charismatic creatures of Melkor. __________________ This elevator only goes to the basement, and sombody made an awful mess down there

08-31-2002, 02:57 PM	#15
Bertuthiel Sapling Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 14	I have always stuck to what's in the Sil, that they were left on their own in the forest. Interestingly enough, when push came to shove, the Sons of Feanor repented and went looking for the two lost tots, aged approx. 2-4 years old. [Walking but incapable of caring for themselves.] They were not found, nor any trace of them. it as assumed that some animals had carried them off to a lair, leaving no trace in the open. How sad...if they had only thought about the consequences of their action before they left them, the kiddies might have lived. it was a great source of woe afterwards. And it marked the brothers ever after as child killers. __________________ Evil were the Cats of Queen Beruthiel. "Max! Zap! Oden, get off me! Agggghhhhh!"

09-01-2002, 10:03 PM	#17
Willow Oran Deus Ex Machina Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,951	What is likely is that they died. What is nicer to think is that maybe there was some friendly maia, (such as Olorin) wandering around in disguise as the books say that some of them did and found the two little elflings and took them back to Valinor with him/her. Highly unlikely but you can always hope that that's what happened. __________________ "5. Plain Rings with RUNES on the inside. Avoid these like the PLAGUE. -Diana Wynne Jones Tough Guide To FantasyLand ...it's not much of a show if somebody doesn't suffer, and preferably at length. Suffering is beautiful in any case, and so is anguish; but as for loathing, and bitterness... I don't think they belong on the stage at all. - Isabella, I Gelosi

09-02-2002, 12:10 AM	#18
Nibs Head Hollara Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 751	Well, I seem to recall that, in effect, they were never heard from again. They may as well be dead, as far as the history of Middle Earth is concerned... __________________ "People used to ring up and say 'Don't quit your day job' or 'sell your synth', but the joke's on them: we were fired and the synth is broken!" -John Flansburgh from They Might Be Giants Ever heard of Mormons? I'm one. Click here to know more about us.

09-20-2002, 01:30 PM	#19
Beleg Strongbow Truest of Friends Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pennsylvania, but I have a vacation home in the Westfarthing. Posts: 520	unless the hobbits descended from them... __________________ "...Beleg Strongbow, truest of friends, greatest in skill of all that harboured in the woods of Beleriand in the Elder Days..." Aure Entuleva! John Kerry for President!

09-21-2002, 11:11 PM	#20
Lefty Scaevola AngAdan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Boerne, Texas Posts: 856	Elve are just barely subject to death by privation or exposure, so if they persished in the woods, it would most likely be to some casualty, a beast, a mauradur, being tracked down an murdered by one of the Feanorians after a PR showing of them being shooed off alive.

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