03-08-2002, 08:09 AM | #1 |
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To my elven speaking cohorts...
My real first name in Celtic means
Great one my Middle name means one from the gray elven fortress what would they be in elven?
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03-08-2002, 09:05 AM | #2 |
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Well, I’m no linguist, and my knowledge of the elven languages is very limited, nevertheless I will make one attempt in Sindarin:
Aradir (Noble Man) Mithostion (Son of the Grey Fortress) Btw, perhaps Afro- Elf could be translated as Haredhel (Southern Elf)
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03-08-2002, 09:31 AM | #3 |
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Thanks
as for afro-elf i was first offered rhosgowellen something like that by wayfarer it means something like curly haired elf but the afro has more to do with color than hair style so I use baranavair meaning brown elf
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About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. |
03-08-2002, 09:48 AM | #4 |
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You’re wellcome
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03-08-2002, 11:32 AM | #5 |
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In Quenya "alta" means "great, large in size". I'm sure there are other senses of "great". In one sense is it in your name? What is your name? Altamo would produce "Great one". "Curumo" is sometimes translated "Cunning (one)".
"One from the grey Elven fortress" is far more difficult, what ever the case. Osto is "city, town with wall round". Maybe Sindostion, but that's just a guess.
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03-08-2002, 10:40 PM | #6 |
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am a tad loathe to post my real name here
I'll PM it to you aradir sindostion does DIR mean man as in human or man as in male?
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03-09-2002, 07:09 AM | #7 |
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Dîr implies the name is masculine, it can be used by elves , humans, etc.
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03-09-2002, 08:42 AM | #8 |
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excellent
i'll use if for my character's name when the decipher LOTR game comes out
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About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. |
03-09-2002, 10:14 PM | #9 |
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Alta means great? I can see where he was possibly inspired by Spanish (alto/a means tall in Spanish)
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I suppose its direct origin is Latin, a language Tolkien knew well.
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03-09-2002, 11:00 PM | #11 |
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Portugues and Spanish are incredibly similar, more so than Spanish and Italian.
Spanish: Voy el parque. Italian: Vado al parque (or something like that) Translated : I go to the park. Spanish: Mas que nada. Portuguese: Mas que nada. Translated: Much of nothing.
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This is a little table about the similarities of Romanic languages I took from a book, hope you find it interesting. % _________Italian__French__Spanish__Portuguese Italian________100____81______82________ 84 French_________81 ___100______72________ 74 Spanish________82 ____72_____100________ 93 Portuguese_____84 ____74______93________100 Romanian ______76 ____67______75________ 77 %___________Romanian__Average Italian____________76____84,6 French____________67____78,8 Spanish___________75____84,4 Portuguese________77____85,6 Romanian________100____79,0 Btw “Mas que nada” in Portuguese actually means “what a nothing” and, as far as I know, is not used as an idiomatic expression. To say “More of Nothing” you would say “Mais de nada” but, as I said, I never heard it used as an idiomatic expression. To say, “I go to the park”, you would say “eu vou ao jardim” And to say “Frodo lives” you would say “Viva Frodo!” In a related topic, It is quite probable that Tolkien inspired himself in the evolution of Romanic languages from the original Latin to create the evolution of Sindarin in several dialects, so this table might give as an idea about how close this dialects were. Perhaps languages like French and Romanian can give us an idea how much human Sindarin dialects were different from classical Sindarin. While Portuguese-Spanish-Italian can give us an idea about this divergence in local elvish Sindarin dialects.
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03-10-2002, 09:31 AM | #13 |
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that was cool
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03-10-2002, 12:08 PM | #14 |
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Afro-elf, Aradîr is Sindarin and would clash with a name in Quenya. Actually I think Aradîr is a mix of Sindarin and Quenya, genuined Grey-elven might have Ardîr. The form in Quenya would be Araner "Nobleman", though the proper word in Quenya for "a noble" is Arquen.
I am sending you a Private Message about your name.
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Aragorn, Araval, Araphant, Araphor, etc. They seem to indicate that the use of ara- is as accepted as ar- (The root is, of course Aran) anyway, as I said, I’m no linguist, so it is just my opinion.
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03-10-2002, 05:24 PM | #16 |
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Oh I'm less of a linguist than you, I suspect. Especially as far as Sindarin is concerned. I am far more interested in Quenya.
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My knowledge of elvish languages is really quite limited, you, on the other hand, have demonstrated a really good knowledge of Quenya (and I bet your Sindarin is good too)
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03-10-2002, 10:57 PM | #18 |
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here's an even harder one
what about the lord of typos
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03-11-2002, 08:58 AM | #19 |
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Afro-elf, you know how to make things difficult.
Anyway here it goes, my Sindarin attempt: Hîr Teithodelebon (Lord of the Most Abominable Writing) I’m far from sure about this one, I have just started to study Sindarin grammar and, on top of it, I don’t have the time right now to confirm my choices, so it is quite possible I got it wrong (but it was a good exercise nevertheless). Ps: Hîr Teithodelebon, I think I could use this one myself
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