08-20-2007, 08:21 PM | #1 |
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Is DDT dangerous, or was it a fake scare?
I've heard both sides of this issue: and it would seem that DDT might not be dangerous at all.
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.co...osquitoes.html Any thoughts on this?
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08-20-2007, 11:09 PM | #2 |
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DDT was definitely dangerous to mosquitos.
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08-20-2007, 11:33 PM | #3 | |
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08-21-2007, 03:40 AM | #4 | |
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Well, if you get your info from lunatic fringe groups sponsored by Lyndon LaRouche, I suppose there might be a question.
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08-21-2007, 05:28 AM | #5 |
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I'm sorry, but are you serious, hector? It's hard to tell on a messageboard.
You really ARE thinking DDT isn't harmful or are you just trying to generate some response by saying something so silly?
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The case of DDT is in fact not as black and white as some people think. The UN and other international health organizations now recommend its use in a controlled low-dose manner i.e, sprayed on inside walls or used on mosquito nets. The right-wing front groups have jumped on this to push the totally specious idea that the environmental movement has caused the death of millions of people in the Third World, and hence should not be listened when they now complain about things like global warming or GM foods. In fact, the ban on DDT was mainly directed at widespread high-dosage aerial spraying for agricultural purposes, which, given the economics of the methods, meant largely for the benefit of wealthy landowners and agribusiness. The problem with those methods is that they rapidly led to mosquitoes developing resistance to DDT- evolution works - which meant more money for the chemical industry in developing substitutes. Still, there was definitely an overreaction in totally banning the use of DDT, and the current policy is a welcome corrective.
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08-21-2007, 07:32 AM | #7 |
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Consider me baffled. I can understand the controversiality and debate about global warming and a few other items, but I had thought the poisonous nature of DDT was quite clear to every one.
I would say the question whether a complete ban on the pesticide was/is justified is still a very different question from the toxicological effects of DDT. One can discuss in which conditions and under which safety regulations DDT can be useful or should be allowed to be used. We use a lot of harmful and dangerous substances in our daily lives so the use of DDT can definitely be argued. The fact that DDT is poisonous (hello-o-o it's a pesticide for crying out loud) to environment and men should be - in my opinion- quite beyond doubt.
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08-21-2007, 09:48 AM | #8 |
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Well, what caught my attention was the fact that one of the guys pushing DDT, eats it! Now unless there is some aspect of that that might be trickery, it seems to me that DDT might not be as dangerous as was thought.
I don't know...I really don't.
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08-21-2007, 01:43 PM | #9 |
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Oh its absolutly harmless of course. Yes of course you can eat it. It should be part of every healthy meal.
Oh and weve also recently discovered that Thalidomide is actually a great pregnancy aid and should be directly injected into the fetus as soon as possible. Silly liberals standing in the way of progress...
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*head meets table* Oh. My. God. The stupidity of humanity never fails to amaze me. I'm sure the nomination for the Darwin awards for this guy is just waiting for him to kick the bucket. No, now I'm exagerating, DDT is not directly lethal, if I'm not mistaken. Although the mad scientist in me is kind of curious what the actual levels of DDT will be in this guy's fat tissues.... If it's not faked, that is. But you know, Hector, if I were you, I wouldn't consider finding someone lunatic enough to go eating poisonous stuff as a sound toxicological testing. Eating DDT... knowingly and voluntarily... no, I still can't get my head around that one.
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08-21-2007, 04:36 PM | #12 |
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The problem with DDT is that re: impact on human health, etc, there have been conflicting returns on the study. It's not simply as cut and dried as DDT is teh evil, must banish. There are some potentially positive outcomes to using it against mosquitos in the fight against malaria. It certainly warrants further study. Additionally, WHO only classifies it as 'moderately toxic', and it HAS been used orally as a treatment against barbiturate poisoning. At any rate, much of the brouhaha against DDT has as much to do with the RATE of usage rather than against DDT itself.
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I see someone's been reading the wikipedia pages...
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My Dad told me about back in his younger days when they used to spread DDT out of a bucket by hand on the farm. It was the wonder chemical back in the 40's. Since the ban Bald Eagles and other birds of prey are finally making a comeback. The DDT in the food they ate caused the shells of there eggs to become too thin and the weight of the mother crushed them.
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08-21-2007, 10:00 PM | #17 |
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No, you shouldn't feel guilty about bringing it up, HB. Look, it revivified BoP!
Ergo, DDT is good.
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08-22-2007, 10:57 AM | #18 |
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There are plenty of other chemicals these days that do the same jobs DDT did, so the argument is 'moot.
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No, there really aren't, the main reason being most people who get malaria are poor, so there's far more money in developing fat pills and high blood-pressure drugs
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It's my understanding that pyrethroids are more commonly used these days because mosquito populations quickly become DDT resistant after a few years of use.
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