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The 21st Century Athiest
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In my opinion, the article is a load of BS. First he slaps athiests, and then he slaps religion. But wait! Now he slaps athiests again, but then back to religion, ending with a general slap to everyone whether they believe in religion or not.
As well, I believe he makes the assumption that if you are religious you dislike science, and/or that science is what draws people away from religion, or makes them not believe in it. Both of those are just too silly to even consider. I don't really think it's a very well though out article--to me it feels as if he just sat down and slapped up whatever popped into his head at the moment. |
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Mon Dieu! The deconstruction of atheism on critical grounds....What is the world coming to?
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Fascinating article, Mr. B! I"m heading out for a bit, but I will turn it over in my mind while I'm out (isn't it wonderful how our bodies can be doing one thing but our minds another!) and come back with some thoughts soon
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I think what is more accurate is that there are many worldview beliefs: atheism is one, Christianity another, Buddhism a third, Hinduism a fourth, Mormonism a fifth, etc. etc. And personally, I would add agnosticism (the fixed variety) as another. They're all equivalent in that they involve belief about the actual nature of things. I think there are sub-divisions among these, but I would make a division where the basic tenets become mutually exclusive. Quote:
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! ![]() "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 05-02-2005 at 05:13 PM. |
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Atheism seems to have two definitions. One is the one we know, about not believing in any diety. The other is the abscence of theistic beliefs. In terms of Western (in a loose use of the word) religions, both definitions mean the same thing - that atheists are not religious because they don't believe in any god. You can't be Jewish, Christian, or Muslim and an atheist at the same time.
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This was from the section discussing Hinduism, Buddhism, and Chinese traditional religion.
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And one that I abhor - it gives just about the worst insult one human being can give to another. The kind of atheism that he does NOT hold at least says that religious people are wrong, but rationally wrong, and rational. It's like two doctors consulting - Dr. 1 : "Well, looking at the evidence, I think that if we performed surgery, we would find that there is a cyst on the ovary." Dr. 2 : "I think you're totally wrong! I think we would NOT find a cyst. I think we would find endometriosis." However, the author's brand of atheism doesn't even give religious people the courtesy of saying they're rationally wrong. It says that religious people are both wrong and irrational; IMO, one of the highest forms of insult and condescension and looking down on someone that exists. I've always said in the beliefs-based discussions here that I disagree with people but I give them the honor of assuming they have thought out their beliefs and that they have a brain and can think rationally. The author's form of atheism not only says that religious people haven't thought out their beliefs, but that they're incapable of doing so, unless perhaps enlightened out of their stupidity by some kind atheist. On his use of "transcendence" - wouldn't a more proper word be "hallucination" or something along those lines, if, in reality, there is nothing to transcend to? And if there is nothing to transcend to, should people be promoting transcendence? Or do you guys think promoting false beliefs is a good thing? Quote:
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! ![]() "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 05-02-2005 at 05:36 PM. |
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Artistic illiteracy is definitely not a tenet of 'old atheism.' There, the author is wrong. The disdain for religion and the fanatical devotion to science, on the other hand, often are. And that's all I'm going to say as it is all I feel at all qualified to say.
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