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11-29-2003, 04:24 PM | #1 | ||
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National Geographic article: High-tech surveillance
The November, 2003 National Geographic Magazine has a provocative article about the way aspects of George Orwell's "Big Brother" surveillance seem to be intruding more on peoples lives, largely with their approval or acquiescence. I wonder what some 'mooters views are, especially U. K. citizens, since the article notes
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The artcle also makes an interesting historical citation of Jeremy Bentham's 18th cenury imagining of a "panopticon" which would monitor all citizens from a giant central tower. The artcle is balanced, giving reasons for surveillance as well as troubling aspects, and some interesting ideas by cicil rights lawyer Norman Siegel of policy suggestions for such high-tech surveillance. In the long run are people better off with or without high-tech surveillance? Perhaps difficult to say given the state of thepresent day world
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11-29-2003, 06:19 PM | #2 |
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I am against high tech surveillance - and I've seen the surveillance stuff in Britain before.
There was a city in New Jersey that tried to put in cameras and there was such an outcry that they were removed. In Florida there were cameras set up and people started wearing masks around them and giving the cameras the finger. Traffic cameras are fine - I like being able to see what the traffic is like in different cities around the country. But cameras that allow a person in a room to follow me down the street - is an invasion of my privacy. As Ben Franklin said... "Anyone who would trade their freedom for safety deserves neither freedom or safety." Big brother is happening and I don't like it. I don't like cameras that give people tickets, I don't like cameras which can follow me down the street, I don't like cameras that follow me throughout a store.
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11-29-2003, 10:15 PM | #3 |
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There are several places in Akron that put cameras outside their businesses, such as in parking lots for security purposes. They can be quite helpful at times. For instance. There was a doctor murdered in the parking lot of Akron General Medical Center. The biggest contributing factor in the apprehension of the killer, was that a business next door to the hospital had security cameras in their parking lot which panned the area, catching the whole thing on tape.
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12-02-2003, 08:29 AM | #4 |
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Let us not forget "dorm cameras"
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Call me strange - but I'm not a big fan of Big Brother and America turning into 1984.
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12-02-2003, 08:42 AM | #6 |
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Sorry to disagree (actually not) but to prevent crime this type of stuff is necessary unless you want armed police on every corner. People want protection but don't want intrusion, it can't be done that way.
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12-02-2003, 08:45 AM | #7 | |
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12-02-2003, 08:50 AM | #8 | |
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Let's be honest, money is tight and no city anywhere on earth has enough police to prevent crime. Heck they can't even solve all crime as it is. Tools help...use 'em.
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Why don't we do this (since the technology is availlable and you said if the technology is there - use it), why don't we embed GPS sensors in everyone's body when they are born. Then set up monitoring stations that track everyone in America. If a crime happens - we get the info out of the computer - find out all the people who were in the area when it happened. Search their homes, interogate them, etc. Hey - the technology would also help with missing persons, etc. So you think we should? The technology exists and it will help prevent crime.
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12-02-2003, 09:09 AM | #10 |
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Search their homes, interogate them, etc. Hey - the technology would also help with missing persons, etc. So you think we should? The technology exists and it will help prevent crime. [/B][/QUOTE] A yes, but if someone who doesn't belong comes along you might be interested in knowing who they are. Yes they do but only because they haven't tried it to reduce or solve crime.
I think tracking of individuals may come eventually, they already have chips to imbed in pets and of course the OnStar network for cars. hmmm, maybe 1984 is just late in coming, eh?
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And yes - you can embed pets right now and the OnStar system can be used to technically track your vehicle. The thing is - currently we have laws that generally prevent most things from being given to law enforcement without a subeona. AOL has repeatedly refused to give out customer's names and information because they have an obligation to their customers. AOL will only give out customer's name with a subeona. By the way - they are currently working on face recognition software to go nicely with those cameras.
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12-02-2003, 09:29 AM | #12 |
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oh good, some days I can't recognize myself.
we're just across the line from agreeing but not as far as some. good holidays to you.
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12-03-2003, 01:54 AM | #14 |
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The concept of "prevention" is more important to some.
Personally I don't want a crime committed against me. I do want it prevented if possible. If not,I want a good deterrant and lastly if that isn't available I want a good chance of apprehension. This is MO.
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