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Brimvalir · 03-08-2002, 01:53 PM

When Morgoths pet spider devoured the silmarils wouldnt she have been fried alive ???

Elvet · 03-08-2002, 02:22 PM

I don't think Melkor gave them to her. She was fed other other Noldor jewels. He kept the Silmarils for himself.

Radagast The Brown · 03-08-2002, 05:16 PM

right. Melkor didn't give her the silmarils.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 03-08-2002, 09:17 PM

That's correct. He had them hid behind his back. When she insisted on him giving them to her after he fed her the petty jewels, and he refused, that is when she grew large and was going to kill him, and then he cried out and the Balrogs came to his aid. He took the Silmarils and placed them in his Iron Crown.

Andúril · 03-15-2002, 04:26 PM

Actually, she had grown large from draining the sap of the trees, and grew even larger after consuming the jewels from Formenos. Morgoth was giving those jewels out of his left hand, and the Silmarils were locked in a crystal casket in his right hand, which was burning him. Morgoth had also grown smaller as a result of the power he had disseminated.

bropous · 03-17-2002, 02:02 PM

I make jokes like that too, but in the interests of clarity, Ungoliant was an ally of Morgoth, not a vassal; she had become a "free agent" long before the assault upon the two trees. Morgoth had agreed to give to her whatever she desired, "Yea, even with both hands". In the far north, in the darkness, Ungoliant could tell that Morgoth was going to scamper and yet he had something from Formenos he had not given to her, and he only fed her jewel after jewel with his left hand. She reminded him of his promise to feed her with both hands. Morgoth did not feed her the Silmarils, he held them in his right hand (not behind his back). when she closed on him with webs of darkness, he screamed (and that land was named Lamedon thereafter for the echoes of his screame lived for many years) and Balrogs came and with scourges of flame drove her off their Master.

Does that clear things up?

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 03-17-2002, 05:44 PM

Yep, that sounds about right bropous.

TomFoolOfATook · 04-17-2002, 01:35 PM

nod Morgoth kept them

03-08-2002, 01:53 PM	#1
Brimvalir Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: California Posts: 103	Lamps When Morgoths pet spider devoured the silmarils wouldnt she have been fried alive ??? __________________ Swords are of no more use here ... All that is gold does not glitter nor are all those who wander lost......

03-08-2002, 02:22 PM	#2
Elvet Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Orillia, Ontario Posts: 221	I don't think Melkor gave them to her. She was fed other other Noldor jewels. He kept the Silmarils for himself. __________________ "But do not despise the lore that has come down from distant years; for oft it may chance that old wives keep in memory word of things that once were needful for the wise to know."

03-08-2002, 05:16 PM	#3
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	right. Melkor didn't give her the silmarils. __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

03-17-2002, 02:02 PM	#6
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	I make jokes like that too, but in the interests of clarity, Ungoliant was an ally of Morgoth, not a vassal; she had become a "free agent" long before the assault upon the two trees. Morgoth had agreed to give to her whatever she desired, "Yea, even with both hands". In the far north, in the darkness, Ungoliant could tell that Morgoth was going to scamper and yet he had something from Formenos he had not given to her, and he only fed her jewel after jewel with his left hand. She reminded him of his promise to feed her with both hands. Morgoth did not feed her the Silmarils, he held them in his right hand (not behind his back). when she closed on him with webs of darkness, he screamed (and that land was named Lamedon thereafter for the echoes of his screame lived for many years) and Balrogs came and with scourges of flame drove her off their Master. Does that clear things up? __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

04-17-2002, 01:35 PM	#8
TomFoolOfATook Hobbit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Dale Posts: 49	Silmarils nod Morgoth kept them __________________ Pieces of Eight the search for the money tree go cash your freedoms in for gold Pieces of Eight Treasure filled with emphtiness dont let it turn your heart to stone

03-08-2002, 09:17 PM	#4
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	That's correct. He had them hid behind his back. When she insisted on him giving them to her after he fed her the petty jewels, and he refused, that is when she grew large and was going to kill him, and then he cried out and the Balrogs came to his aid. He took the Silmarils and placed them in his Iron Crown.

03-15-2002, 04:26 PM	#5
Andúril The Original Corruptor Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,881	Actually, she had grown large from draining the sap of the trees, and grew even larger after consuming the jewels from Formenos. Morgoth was giving those jewels out of his left hand, and the Silmarils were locked in a crystal casket in his right hand, which was burning him. Morgoth had also grown smaller as a result of the power he had disseminated.

03-17-2002, 05:44 PM	#7
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Yep, that sounds about right bropous.

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