07-16-2001, 04:08 PM | #1 |
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Hobbits?
Does anyone know where Hobbits came from?
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07-16-2001, 04:56 PM | #2 |
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They came from the East right? There were three types and each one came at a different time. That's all I can remember. I loaned my book with the info to a friend.
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07-16-2001, 06:36 PM | #3 |
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I would have said that they came from holes in the ground, but hey whatta I know!
From the east you say, interesting? I never realived that the Hobbits came from somewhere. I always just imagined that they were always right there in the shire. Elenna ~For all that has good has bad, and all that is bad contains goodness. In like manner there is light in darkness and darkness in light. And all who seek shall find which they desire.~ |
07-16-2001, 07:20 PM | #4 |
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They supposedly come from the same root as humans.
They likely evolved differently... |
07-16-2001, 07:25 PM | #5 |
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When in the time line were the hobbits created?
I know the elves were first ans the nthe dwarves who were put back to sleep until the time of the humans, but when were the hobbits introduced to middle earth and was their creator Eru or someone else? Curious ~ Elenna ~For all that has good has bad, and all that is bad contains goodness. In like manner there is light in darkness and darkness in light. And all who seek shall find which they desire.~ |
07-16-2001, 07:27 PM | #6 |
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As I just said, if my memory is good, they're supposed to be an offroot of human race.
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07-16-2001, 07:31 PM | #7 |
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Your memory is good Shanamir Tolkien indeed said they were a diminutive Race of Man. Somewhere in unrecorded history they 'evolved' from the Big People.
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07-16-2001, 07:36 PM | #8 |
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Ahh.....evolution.
Makes scence really. Is there any indication in the time line when this change started to occur? Thanks ~ and sorry for being such a pest Elenna ~For all that has good has bad, and all that is bad contains goodness. In like manner there is light in darkness and darkness in light. And all who seek shall find which they desire.~ |
07-17-2001, 01:34 AM | #9 |
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Hum... think about what you're asking.... these changes occurs over thousands of years.... it's like asking which child was no more a human and was a hobbit, when do we know that these changes are enough to tell that?
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07-17-2001, 02:26 AM | #10 |
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No, to my knowledge there's no indication in any historical records about just when Hobbits 'began'. I quoted evolved because I'm not sure evolution has any place in Tolkien's legendarium. Something similar undoubtedly occurred, however.
Whenever it was, Tom Bombadil witnessed it. |
07-17-2001, 04:07 AM | #11 |
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Hobbits "evolving" from Mannish stock is not impossible...... The Pygmies of the Congo are about Hobbit-sized, but are most assuredly Human.
Maybe the Pygmies are the last surviving population of Halflings in the world..... |
07-17-2001, 11:12 AM | #12 |
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Most probably, they are not... Tolkien said that now, the hobbits have mastered the ways of going by unnoticed...
That's why we can't see them or haven't heard of them.. |
07-17-2001, 11:46 AM | #13 |
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I see, what a silly question of me to ask.
I just thought that maybe Tolkien gave them a beginning in the time line as he did the rest. Maybe more like a time of discovery? When were the hobbits first discovered, maybe that is a better way to phrase my question, since you are obviously right Shanamir, those changes over time would be to small to really calculate when certain offspring of Humans became Hobbits. Anyhow, what an interesting question, (and It wasn't even my topic ) ~ Thanks all Elenna ~For all that has good has bad, and all that is bad contains goodness. In like manner there is light in darkness and darkness in light. And all who seek shall find which they desire.~ |
07-17-2001, 09:35 PM | #14 |
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Hum... not sure about that... would have to look it up in the book (but it's dated somewhere)
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07-17-2001, 09:51 PM | #15 |
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My books are out on loan so I can not look this up myself, but I am thinking that the part in the prelude to FOTR where it talks about the Shire and the lays of the Shire and about the Hobbits themselves and all that other Hobbit stuff. Would it say in there?
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07-17-2001, 10:24 PM | #16 |
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Sorry, can't look right now. Maybe someone could answer?
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07-17-2001, 10:58 PM | #17 |
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Busy, busy, busy........gee, what would a hobbit say?
Thanks Shanamir, your the best. Elenna ~For all that has good has bad, and all that is bad contains goodness. In like manner there is light in darkness and darkness in light. And all who seek shall find which they desire.~ |
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The first record of Hobbits was in III 1050, as seen in the Tale of Years: Quote:
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07-18-2001, 02:11 AM | #19 |
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Well, when I said "evolve" I did not mean in the (heretical?)Darwinian sense....
More like selective inbreeding or the like..... It's possible to mate a Great Dane with a Chihuahua, so they are indeed the same species, but got differentiated by selective breeding. So the Hobbits may have arisen out of short Men always marrying short women over a long period of time....... But they would still be Mannish, a Hobbit-Human pairing would still be fertile...... as would a Hobbit-Elf pairing as is said of an ancestor of the Tooks..... |
07-18-2001, 03:14 AM | #20 |
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Who would DO that???... eussssshhhh
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