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Denethor, Faramir, Boromir
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Why exactly did Denethor dislike Faramir. I mean was it just the fact that he lost a couple of times or was it something more? I would like to find out more on this matter. My personal feeling is that Gandalf chose Faramir. He liked him more and he talked with him more. Maybe Denethor was against this as Boromir would be the next steward? Maybe he resented his favor of Faramir when Faramir could be nothing but a failure in Denethor's eyes? Discuss.
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Apparently, Dnethor preferred Boromir, as he was more like him - while Faramir liked to read and learn more. Faramir wanted to go to Rivendell, but Boromir said he will since he's the older - and probably stronger, so it would ber easier to him, and he'd get there faster, can't remember really. Anyway, Boromir left, and died as you know. So the relationship between them got worse... I believe Denethor still liked Faramir, though, he was just disappointed, and preferred Boromir. Remember that Denethor was also affected by Sauron.
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You know, I have always wondred if Boromir made it up about even having the dream. Faramir doubtless told him of the details. So Boromir claimed the adventure for himself, and Denethor indulged his favorite, who was, BTW, not like him, according to Gandalf.
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No, he would have fallen, and, when he reurned, Denethor would not have known his son.
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So Boromir wanted the glory and he told Faramir he would go. THen when Boromir died he wished Faramir had gone because he prefered Boromir making him resentful of Faramir. ???? Still confused
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But why did he like Boromir more. What did he see in him that he saw in himself ( and cringe thereby ) Was it just the fact that Boromir would be steward or was it something more?
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Good point. I mean some fathers simply favor one over the other for no reason. Also I think you are right about the whole Boromir=warrior=admiration of by Denethor. But when Boromir died I would have thought that Faramir and Denethor would have embraced each other and wept with each other. Instead Denethors dislike almost intensifies. I dont understand why he did that. It just doesnt make sense. I mean maybe he thought Faramir should have gone but that doesnt make much sense either.
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Gandalf said of Denethor...
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Perhaps he esteemed Boromir's perceived strength of purpose and vision - Denethor may have felt that this single-mindedness was the only way to save Gondor. Remember what Faramir said of Boromir... Quote:
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Thanks for the quotes I have been looking for them everywhere. I have been trying to find some good ones. Btw who was Denethors wife? and why did she die?
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hmm lonely queen that seems a little hard to pull off. Couldnt she just buy friends? jk. Also was Denethor a bad husband or something cuz why was she so lonely that she DIED?
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There is also a reference in Appendix A that might explain, in part, Denethor's preference for his eldest son. Denethor's father, Ecthelion II, took into his service a man called Thorongil (this was, it can be inferred, Aragorn in another guise). Ecthelion highly esteemed Thorongil and perhaps this has some impact on Denethor's parenting...
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So youre saying she was a country girl and when she was cooped up as queen she felt all trapped and such. Well that makes sense. Thanks
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Can you imagien that. Gandalf walks over to the babies checks their pulse and temperature then picks Faramir up and nods his head then he picks Boromir up and stamps him with a big red stamp that says BASTAR*
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