01-19-2002, 08:01 AM | #1 |
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The Sindar
I was reading on another thread that people think Thranduil was greedy. Generally there seems to be a similarity between the Sindar in this way. Think about Thingol (who I think Thranduil in the Hobbit is very similar to), he filled his halls with gold and jewels and apparently valued a simaril more than his daughter. Also Oropher (Thranduil's father)had the same sort of personality, in the battle of the last alliance he wouldn't march under Gil-galads banner and charged the gates of Mordor before any signal was given (and died). Generally all the Sindar seem a bit less wise then the Noldor. Even Celeborn , who is Sindar, is a bit like this in LOTR. Could this be because the Noldor went to Valinor and were taught by the Valar, but the Sindar who were part of the Avari weren't?
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01-19-2002, 05:00 PM | #2 |
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To address part of your question, the Sindar are not Avari.
Avari are the ( unwilling or refusers) they never started on the journey to Aman. Sindar and Avari are Moriquendi ( dark Elves). Those who never saw the light of Valinor. Sindar are also Umanyar ( those not of Aman) they started on the journey but never completed it.
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Re: The Sindar
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01-19-2002, 05:59 PM | #4 |
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On my opinion, they were very wise, but not too smart...
They loved their work too much. |
01-19-2002, 06:19 PM | #5 |
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Lightice I would say the opposite.
That were very smart but lacked wisdom. They were smart enough to forge and built but lacked wisdom in many of their choices. An example off the top of my head would be Feanor was smart enough to know he could never succeed but lacked the wisdom to withdraw.
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01-20-2002, 12:00 PM | #6 |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by afro-elf
[B]To address part of your question, the Sindar are not Avari. Sorry, I only realised that they weren't Avari later. Seems also that the Sindar weren't as skilled at making stuff as the Noldor. Thingol had to have the Dwarves help him make the necklace for the silmaril. Doesn't it say somewhere in the Silmarillion the Noldor were taught crafts by the Valar? |
01-20-2002, 01:18 PM | #7 |
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I believe you are correct there.
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01-23-2002, 07:54 PM | #8 |
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I moved this from The Hobbit forum as it's a rather broad subject, I think.
I agree that the Grey-elves collectively were not as wise as 'the most gifted race of the Eldar', mainly because of the latter's contact with the Holy Ones of the Blessed Realm. But I don't think that makes them greedy or Racist. Thingol, Thranduil, Celeborn are three examples of individual Elves who were not so nice and rather prejudice before they opened their eyes. Though, Thingol was counted among the Elves of the Light (Caledhil or Calaquendi). But they were only individuals. Look at Beleg Cúthalion or Legolas son of Thranduil. Legolas shared some of the prejudice of his father obviously, but he was a nice guy. Also I should mention that Celeborn the Wise at the end of the Third Age was accounted most wise of all the Eldar remaining in Middle-earth. That includes Noldor.
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