11-18-2003, 04:57 PM | #1 |
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Bush's Security on visit to Buckingham Palace
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President Bush has demanded the highest security for his state visit to London today in the tightest security London has ever seen. His security staff were not even satisfied with Buckingham! They insisted the windows be replaced with bullet-proof glass, heavier curtains put and, quite rightly were only stopped by HM the Queen putting her foot down- no alterations are to be made. I wonder if Bush shall observe proper protocol and bow to the Queen, as he should?
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As for security - I watched BBC and I watched the French news last night - there were a lot of demands made - but also a lot of concessions. As for having windows replaced in Buckingham Palace - I didn't hear about that. It's a state visit - the queen had to invite him. If she had problems with any of the demands - I suppose she could have uninvited him. I was driving south a couple of months ago on 95 through Philadelphia - when Bush was driving north. They had the entire North bound lanes closed off for miles. It's NOT unusual him or the past presidents to have this type of protection. And with the radical muslim groups that London has - such as the ones putting up those flyers in support of the "magnificent 19" I can see the need for such security in London. By the way - your country isn't showing much respect toward us or our president. So I don't know what your complaint is - we aren't burning your flag or hanging it upside down on the gates of Buckingham Palace.
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I have heard a lot of fuss about this visit. What I dont understand is why in the world would security be such a HUGE deal in England of all places (like our one and only friend in the world now) more so then when he was in France or Germany or traveling through the middle east or in Russia. Whats with that? Friend of mine in London said they are talking about shutting down some pretty significant roads though but the mayor (mayor?) said no way. Not even for the president.
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Personally I don't even think he should be going to England - but the trip was made way in advance. As for why there is high security now - is because of the latest terrorist threat. Also - London seems to have a large number of radical muslim groups. The London police are actually afraid of them infiltrating the demostrators and attacking from within the protection of the demonstrators. This is the LONDON police saying this on BCC.
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T'would be a shame if someone 'got to' our President while on foreign soil. I think that would be a first. Then we would have our best allies to thank for giving us Dick Cheney as President (and then REALLY watch out, Middle East!).
Actually, we used to talk about a "curse"... every US President elected at 20 year intervals - going all the way back to 1840 - died in office, until Ronald Reagan broke the curse after being elected in 1980. (so those elected in 1840, 1860, 1880, 1900, 1920, 1940 and 1960 - ALL died in office!) Returning to the "curse" is not a pleasant thought. Keep him safe over there, eh mates? |
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When american women go to the middle east (even leaders like Condoleeza Rice) they have to wear head covering. When the roles are reversed and they come over here - we don't dictate what they wear. Quote:
You also might have forgotten - NY has world dignataries here 365 days a year too. The last big meeting of the Security Council had very high security. Subways were stopped, major roads blocked, etc. On 9/11 this year - one of the reasons Bush didn't go to NY was because of the required security. It's not unusual for cities outside Washington to have to put up high security. One of the reasons Londond is complaining right now and England in general is because he's hated by 70% of the population. Quote:
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I thought the demand for bullit-proof windows in Buckingham palace was rather funny, a little paranoid perhaps but amusing.
But I don't even want to know how much all these security measures are going to cost, though. You know JD, I don't think bowing necesarily mean showing inferiority as you seem to think. It's just a gesture of respect IMO.
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Maybe not because she's the host on this occasion? Frankly your guess is as good as mine. I have absolutely no idea of how such protocol works.
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I swear, if he does, I'm writing him a NASTY letter about embarrassing the citizens of the USA when out of country. SHEESH!!! Furthermore, I don't see why you're getting your panties in a bunch over security. There are a lot of freaks out there that want a pop shot at Bush, and I don't trust UK's normal security (sorry, no insult intended). Although I didn't vote for him, I'd hate to see the current VP (Dick Cheney) take over. Quote:
As for the security cost: the USA pays for security when foreign dignitaries visit here (the Pope, the Queen, etc.). Personally, I don't see any reason for the Queen of England to visit the USA, but someone invited her. *shrugs* |
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11-19-2003, 04:39 AM | #15 |
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Well, it looks like they should've spent less time worrying about bulletproof curtains and more time checking out the staff Story from BBC web site
Yeah, there are probably more radical Islamiacs here in the UK than there were in Iraq (still, no-one suggested we should be invaded). Having said that, I have seen none of these fliers. Anyway, I agree that no-one should have to bow to the goddam Queen. But then, I'm a republican. How a dyed-in-the-wool royalist would feel about it would be something else, and since these are the kinds of people here who support Bush, he probably wouldn't want to alienate them. I think it would be worth clearing up some facts about this visit. Firstly, the main objection was to how much of London the visiting security wanted to close off. Ken Livingstone, mayor of London, quite rightly refused and made the point of what the economic costs of that would be. Secondly, anti-war protesters are not being allowed to protest anywhere that there might be risk of Bush actually seeing them. The whole thing has been stage-managed to such an extent that people feel their democratic rights have been sold down the river. Thirdly, the country is split roughly 60-40 in favour of this visit. That is, 60% of Brits actually welcome Bush's visit. Last edited by The Gaffer : 11-19-2003 at 05:03 AM. |
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I actually don't care how much security you guys have - just as long as NOTHING happens to our president while there. We know the majority of Europe hates him and our government and silently and sometimes publicly mocks americans. I wouldn't be surprised if there were many in the crowds who want to kill Bush. Quote:
There is TV - there is press conference - there is your reporters. From the attitude of the BBC - I'm sure they'll make sure they let him know how much he is hated in Britain as well as all of Europe. Quote:
As for the state visit - this was set up soon after 9/11. One of the things I find interesting is that Tony Blair wants to talk to Bush about the European military organization France and Germany want to establish. Blair was initially against this - but now seems to support it. I see us going down the cold war road all over again - this time with Western Europe.
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Well the 41 gun salute is going on right now and they are waiting for the arrival of the president at Buckingham Palace. I guess I will see if our president and first lady bow to them on the steps of Buckingham Palace. The presidential limosine is pulling up now.
We are safe - our president did NOT bow to the queen. He and Laura Bush shook the hands of the queen and Prince Phillip. It is also very kind of Britain to play America's national anthem. Ironic considering it was written while Britain was bombing our shores.
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I meant the Royals' security operation in particular, not the measures YOU are taking (tho I'm sure THEY consulted YOU at all times ) It just shows, again, what an unprofessional organisation the royals are. And, again, what a bunch of hypocrites the tabloids are. If they'd really cared about security, they'd have told the police about their man infiltrating the royal staff BEFORE Bush arrived, not after. As for the British not being used to it, I think you're right. That is, we're not used to having no access at all to the people we're protesting against, and it leaves a bad taste in our mouths. There has always been a tradition of active protest in the UK that is being systematically suffocated in recent years in the name of security. Thatcher started it, Bliar has continued it. Last edited by The Gaffer : 11-19-2003 at 07:44 AM. |
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Oh - and I was just referring to how OUR security forces were obviously necessary as demonstrated in that article you posted. Quote:
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