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06-12-2003, 11:48 PM | #1 |
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Can The Tolkien Estate ALWAYS Hold The Silmarillion Rights?
I mean it's a shame Tolkien hadn't finished the Silmarillion so he could lend the rights like with LOTR
But for how long technically can they hold on to those rights? Can there be a negotiation on them? I AM aware people have tried and failed...but I want them precioussss lol. Please tell me your thoughts
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06-13-2003, 12:08 AM | #2 |
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I'm not quite sure how that works, but unless Tolkien himself had made some stipulation in his will to sell the rights, then I would think that his children hold them and it is their choice to sell them or not.
Also, since they didn't seem to keen on the LotRs movie being made, I highly doubt you will see them selling the rights to the Silmarillion in the near future.
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06-13-2003, 12:29 AM | #3 | |
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06-13-2003, 12:31 AM | #4 | |
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06-13-2003, 12:38 AM | #5 |
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Well I am not up to date with my England copyright laws and all but over in the states it seems that if you have enough money you could buy whatever material you want. Especially if the creator is dead it's usually disastrous to leave everything with the kids. Thank god Christopher Tolkien actually respects what his dad has done.
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06-13-2003, 12:59 AM | #6 |
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Doesn't copyright only last for a certain amount of years after the author's death? And then it becomes public domain?
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06-13-2003, 08:57 AM | #7 |
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I think if someone keeps renewing the copyright it stays under their control, but then again, haven't some songs come under public domain, and the artists are still living? I'm not sure how that works.
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06-14-2003, 04:47 PM | #9 |
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Tolkien didn't "lend" the rights. If I remember correctly, he was a bit tight for cash, and he sold them, though I'm not sure.
Anyway, I agree, the Silmarillion is not a book that can be translated to film. Too much happens, it takes place over, what, five hundred years, and so on, and so forth.
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06-14-2003, 08:31 PM | #10 |
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But, how about individual episodesin the Sil? You wouldn't like to see a movie made, say, of the story of Beren and Luthien?
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06-14-2003, 08:36 PM | #11 | |
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06-14-2003, 08:38 PM | #12 | |
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i hope not. that would be a confusing movie and PJ would mess it up if he directed it
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06-15-2003, 05:01 AM | #13 |
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Under the relevant international treaty, the Berne Convention, copyright lasts for the lifetime of the author plus fifty years. The idea was that the author and his/her immediate family should benefit from the fruits of his/her creativity. (The term has recently been extended in the USA and by European Union directive to life plus seventy years). An exception applies to unpublished works - the time period starts from the year of first publication. So because The Sil was first published posthumously it will have a slightly longer copyright period.
While copyright lasts, you need permission from the owner to make copies etc. The author is the first owner but the author can sell all or parts of the copyright. I understand that Professor Tolkien sold the film rights to LotR way back. That's why his family had no say in the PJ film. Eventually the copyright in everything runs out and the work isthen said to be in the "public domain". And then any billy goat can mess with it.
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06-15-2003, 06:22 AM | #14 |
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Thanks, Diamond. I had an idea that was how it worked.
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