G.R.R. Martin

[Vilya]

Has anyone been reading the "Fire and Ice Series"? If so I was wondering what the opinions are/were? It has been a popular topic of discussion with some friends of mine.

[Melko Belcha]

Love it, next to Tolkien's work and Tad Williams Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn, Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire is one of my favorite reads, fantasy or otherwise. I can not wait for A Feast for Crows.

[Vilya]

Speaking of " A Feast for Crows" have you heard a relese date other than Spring 2004? I am dying for it to come out.

[Melko Belcha]

His website still says Spring 2004. But there is a sample chapter at hiis sight.

[Vilya]

Coool, thanks for the info. I really can't wait for it to come out. I want to know where Jon goes from here. Do you think Rob's efforts to have him legitimized will have worked?

[Arcala]

I just finished A Storm of Swords, and really have to agree with Melko Belcha about the series. Er, Vilya, what do you mean about Jon and Rob getting him legitimized?

[Vilya]

Originally posted by Arcala
I just finished A Storm of Swords, and really have to agree with Melko Belcha about the series. Er, Vilya, what do you mean about Jon and Rob getting him legitimized?

Oops, bad form on my part. I can't tell you or I have to kill you. But in all seriousness I can't tell you because I'll ruin the other books for you. However I will say that they are very interesting, and that I enjoyed them very much.

[Millane]

i am loving this series it is ****ing incredible, it wont touch Tolkien in my mind (but nothing will) definately the second best world ever... ive got about 150 pages to go in Blood and Gold and im about to go finish it soon. Gregor just killed the Red Viper im hoping Gregor wont die so he will have to face Doran sorry i wont be able to put spoilers everywhere im just too lazy, firstly Lysa is a whore much like Sansa but Arya is sick, prefer Tyrion to Jaime and Sandor to Gregor unlike my friend... Martin is a genius and his characters just rock, i love the way the book is set out with Character chapters, i could go on and on. We bought my friend the Game of Thrones board game which also rocks (mainly coz i always get the Starks ) and where gunna order some cards this weekend (i also get the Stark deck yay)
enough for now but im sure ill have plenty more to say for later

[Vilya]

Nothing is as good as Tolkien in my mind. But this is some of the best stuff written that I have read in the past few years. What's this boardgame? Where did you get it? etc....

[Falagar]

I've been considering reading that series for some time now, a lot of people have reccomended it..

[Vilya]

Originally posted by Falagar
I've been considering reading that series for some time now, a lot of people have reccomended it..

Everyone I know really enjoyed it and I would definitely recommend giving it a try.

[Falagar]

Originally posted by Vilya
Everyone I know really enjoyed it and I would definitely recommend giving it a try.

Then you can be the person that finally convinced me to try.

[Mark of Cenla]

I am reading the third one right now. I really like his style and am really enjoying the story. Peace.

[Arcala]

Well, I've finished all three and I still don't understand your meaning, so if you could explain? Sorry, I'm a little dense.

[Vilya]

Originally posted by Arcala
Well, I've finished all three and I still don't understand your meaning, so if you could explain? Sorry, I'm a little dense.

There is a part right before the Frey "incident" where Rob approaches his mother about legitimizing Jon in case of his own death because at the time no one knows if Ned's two younger son's are still alive. Of course, Caitlyn discouraged the idea due to her personal feelings about Jon and his parentage, but you never really find out if the document exists.

Someone borrowed my copy, but if I can find the chapter # I will get it to you incase you want to reread it.

[Falagar]

Just bought "A Game of Thrones".

[Melko Belcha]

Martin also has two short stories based in A Song of Ice and Fire. They can be found in Legends and Legends II Edited by Robert Silverberg. The Hedge Knight is in Legends and I believe the one in Legends II is called The Sworn Sword (have not read it yet). Both stories take place around 100 years before A Game of Thrones. The first part of The Hedge Knight has also been made into a comic book, but I have yet to see it other then some of the artwork, which was great.

Legends contains short stories from various fantasy authors in their best selling worlds, Stephen King (Dark Tower), Terry Pratchett (Discworld), Terry Goodkind (The Sword of Truth), George RR Martin (A Song of Ice and Fire), Tad Williams (Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn), Orson Scott Card (The Tales of Avlin Maker), Ursula Le Guin (EarthSea), Robert Silverberg (Majipoor), Anne McCaphery (The Dragon Riders of Pern), Raymond E Feist (Rift War), and Robert Jordan (The Wheel of Time).

Legends II I do not have yet, and not all the authors in one appear in two, but I do know it has stories by Martin, Tad Williams (Otherland), Elizabeth Haydon, Terry Brooks, and many more.

Tad Williams Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn I like even better the A Song of Ice and Fire and I feel it is a must read for any Tolkien fan, check it out.

Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn by Tad Williams
The Dragonbone Chair
Stone of Farewell
To Green Angel Tower (paperback is in two volumes)

[Millane]

Originally posted by Vilya
There is a part right before the Frey "incident" where Rob approaches his mother about legitimizing Jon in case of his own death because at the time no one knows if Ned's two younger son's are still alive. Of course, Caitlyn discouraged the idea due to her personal feelings about Jon and his parentage, but you never really find out if the document exists.

Someone borrowed my copy, but if I can find the chapter # I will get it to you incase you want to reread it.

hmmm not sure what your meaning, you think Robb might have done something about Jon before that old bastard Frey, well the incident??? i thought the end of it with Stannis' offer made it pretty sure that Jon has found his place (geez i hate talking so cryptic)... oooooh the Epilogue just makes me drool at how the Greatjon will come back into the story (he better come back), im hoping he will meet Jon and destroy the Freys damn wishful thinking

[Arcala]

Oh, now I remember, thanks. I think that Jon will stay at the Wall in his New Post as

Lord Commander

even if he does get legitimized, though.

[Vilya]

Originally posted by Melko Belcha


Tad Williams Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn I like even better the A Song of Ice and Fire and I feel it is a must read for any Tolkien fan, check it out.

Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn by Tad Williams
The Dragonbone Chair
Stone of Farewell
To Green Angel Tower (paperback is in two volumes)

Well...you got me curious so now I have to pick up a copy of your Tad Williams recommendation. I guess I'll add it to the stack of books that other people bought me for Christmas that I wish I had time to read.

Arcala , I agree I think he will stay at the Wall also, but it could be an interesting plot twist. A friend of mine told me his website said the manuscript for A Feast for Crows is still incomplete as of now.