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What does Aunt Petunia know?
Please people...talk about HP!
![]() My favorite part of OotP happened right off, when Harry's 2 worlds collided in chapts 1 and 2. Mrs. Figg was a squib, but even more goose bumpy was that Aunt Petunia knew what Dementors and Voldemort were! ![]() I could see her knowing of Voldemort, he killed her sister. But why Dementors and wizards prison? She said "I heard --- that awful boy---- telling *her* (Lilly) about them --- years ago." Who was the "awful boy"? ![]() Was Lilly's family strictly muggle till she came along? Or is there some wizard/witch history (skeletons in the closet) besides Lilly. (excuse me if this question might seem dumb ![]() ![]() Who sent the Howler???? I thought it was from Lilly...from beyond the grave, or something? I know that sounds dumb, but the howler said..."Remember my last, Petunia". But how could Lilly have given *last instructions* to her sister about Harry's care, when she was attacked by suprise and killed on the spot? Just wondering.. ![]()
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What does Aunt Petunia know? Well, that is the question, as Hamlet would say
![]() I think the "awful boy" could only really be James. I've heard theories that it's Snape, but I'm not convinced! Maybe Petunia used to hide and listen to Lily and James talking when they were at home... or maybe there is a secret wizarding connection. Who knows? I'm pretty sure Dumbledore sent the Howler. I thought he said that in the final scene with Harry - I could be remembering wrong though. I never thought it could be Lily - interesting idea!
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I agree with Sun star about everything - the awful boy is probably James.
Dumbledore said in the end of the book that he was the one who sent the Hawler. (you might've been a bit sleepy then - it was pretty boring, with all the yellings of Harry) I also think it is said, Lizra, in the first book, that she was the only witch of her familiy (or wizard). Happy birthday sun start - btw. ![]() |
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Thanks! I wonder why Aunt Petunia "cared" enough to follow Dumbledore's instructions.
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Personally... ever since Book Three I've had a sneaking suspicion that Petunia is a witch who refused to go to Hogwarts. Now I've been thinking that maybe she even did go to Hogwarts, if only for a few years. Then she got scared or got in trouble and quit.
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That's wierd. the aunt Petunia being a witch thing never hit me before.
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I think it could really fit. Maybe she never got accepted into Hogwarts. I mean they don't accept every witch and wizard in Britian do they?
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I guess.
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I like the idea of aunt petunia being a witch and her being refused. it erelaly would fit and give a real reason for her to hate magical things. shall be interesting ot see if anything is revealed in the next book abotu her.
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Maybe she has power yet is terrified of it...so the big charade of being NORMAL!
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My dad's theory- Petunia went to Hogwarts, but then she fell in love with Vernon and stopped witching for his sake.
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It's a great theory, and would explain a lot of things, like how Petunia, even with her memory, could instantly and automatically remember the name of Azkaban and what dementors were after pretending her entire life that her sister didn't even exist. But what about her words in the first book? It sounds like she considers all magic freakish, and as if Lily was the only witch in the family- feeling like her parents played favorites, etc. I don't know. There's a lot of mystery about Petunia and Lily. I have a feeling we'll definitely be hearing a lot more about them.
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I think Petunia knows a great deal more than she's letting on. She recognized Dumbledore's voice and knows a great deal about things magical that the other Dursley's are clueless about.
She was jealous of Lily's ability and education because Lily seemed to be the favored child as a result of the attention and recognition it brought her. But is it possible that Petunia had some latent magical ability as well? Perhaps she did attend Hogwarts, but was unable to graduate (or dropped out) because her ability was less than the other students. This would, I suppose, make her something of a Squibb, but technically to be a Squibb she would have to be a non-magical child born into a magical family. But don't Squibbs also have some magical ability? I think that Petunia has kept this part of her life a secret from her husband and son. She seems to have an aversion to magic and wizardry because it was something denied to her. Those who protest most loudly about some things are often protesting because it hits too close to home.
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Perhaps one of the parents (these would be Harry's grandparents) was a Squibb???? Just a thought. ![]()
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I don't think Petunia ever was a witch. I mean...I think I remember reading somewhere that Lily was the only witch in the family. But think about it there are very logical reasons that explain all of this.
1. Petunia's hatred of Lily. Maybe she didn't always hate her. MAybe they were close as kids and then Lily got into Howarts and their parents couldn't get over how "brilliant!" Lily was and so Petunia got jealous. She still loved her and was hurt terribly when her sister died but conviced herself of all those horrible things shes ever said about her but it still haunts her to this day. 2. Petunia recognition of Dumbldores voice. Dumbldore did talk to her didn't he? When he brought HArry to live with them he had to talk to her to work the spell that prtects Harry. Maybe Dumbldore has talked to her in the past too. To check on Harry when he was still very young. Or maybe while Lily was visiting her parents wiht James and Harry Dumbldore showed up for one of his weird wizard reasons. 3. The rememberance of Dementors. Well, she seemed really terified when she was talking to Harry about them. I mean telling them that she had heard it from that awful boy. And the fact that she was terrified seems to suggest that she heard an awful lot about the Demntors and if I had heard that I wouldn't have forgotten it very soon either. I know it was a long time ago but...it wasn't that long ago when she heard it if oyu think about the time scale these books are happening on. 4. Petunia's hatered of all things magical. Like I said before she loved her sister then became terribly jealous and even started to hate her. But she still loved her and when she dies she blamed the wizarding world for it. She blamed magicand that "awful boy" and even Harry. But she still loves Harry because he is a part of Lily. Something that she misses. But she treats him so badly because it's sort of a love hate relationship. You know? I'm not saying she coudn't be a witch but that just seems more the way to go.
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On another note, I believe that JKR once stated that one character will learn to do magic very late in life. Could this be Petunia?
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