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10-04-2004, 07:08 PM | #1 |
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"DON'T PANIC" and other important information (NEWBIE-FRIENDLY)
How did anything come from nothing? How can there be "something" at all? Shouldn't there be nothing?
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10-04-2004, 07:47 PM | #2 |
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hitchhikers guide to the galaxy?
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10-04-2004, 10:32 PM | #3 |
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Since it's obvious that there IS something (unless you're into calling everything an illusion, in which case I won't bother to talk to you, since I don't talk with illusions ), then it's obvious that something must be self-existent and eternal.
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10-05-2004, 04:22 AM | #4 |
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Or do we all live in MATRIX-like environment?
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10-05-2004, 04:26 AM | #5 | |
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10-05-2004, 08:34 AM | #6 |
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Doh!!!
Yes, Hobbit...D.A. is sorrrrly missed.
As to the metaphysics point, I didn't mean to word-vomit, I was just shooting in the peripheral dark @ 186,000 ft/sec or so (except for travel thru the last sea) hoping to hear an "idea" about the subject since I've never heard it discussed before. Ever. So, the idea originally occurred to me while driving near my home one morning and I glanced up to a church sign board and though there wasn't anything written there that sparked the idea, it came none the less. I used to teach physics at a private academy, so I now only enough to be wary of how much I really don't know about my complete ignorance with everything entirely. I have this panicky feeling I know, in truth, less than zero % the "Necessary Information One Needs in This Universe To Get About". You can quote me on that! LOL Life is so awkward and funny. Like The Simpson’s filling in for the Fellowship in LOTR.....I'd pay to see that.
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10-05-2004, 09:41 AM | #7 |
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We already have multiple threads that touch on this issue.
Do we really have to flood the board with redundant topics?
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10-05-2004, 10:17 AM | #8 |
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i'd have to think that there really isn't such a thing as "nothing" at all... i think people run into this problem when they think in terms of human perception... i.e. the glass is empty because there is no liquid in it... when, in fact, it is full of hydrogen and oxygen molecules, along with many others
even "space" is loaded with particles and energy... and these are just the things we can perceive... which may very well be the tip of the iceberg it's extremely hard to imagine "nothing" as a possible state being... and i tend to lean away even from the big-bang-esk theories in favor of a more cyclical universe that always has, and always will exist in a form pretty similar to what we observe around us today
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10-05-2004, 10:28 AM | #9 |
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Kirkegaard's your man if you're interested in nothingness: Short biog here.
Fear of nothingness (the original "angst") was one of the founding concepts of existentialism. Don't ask me what that means. |
10-05-2004, 10:29 AM | #10 | |
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10-05-2004, 01:47 PM | #11 |
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Where did your original assumption come from that there was nothing to begin with? Or that we could ever hope to understand the full nature of reality when we create it by our very existance?
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10-05-2004, 02:13 PM | #12 | |
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Dead anmials
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Then the dead horse stirred as it was beat again (as the saying goes). But how did it stir, you ask? Because our short life spans do not give us enough time to individually "figure some of it out" except in regards to perception and reference (point to point). Sure we go on and on, but really, it's about all we got. No animals were harmed for this posting.
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10-05-2004, 04:53 PM | #13 | ||
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Lol EarthBound! Should this thread be merged with the "why you believe" one? Or should we be talking about HHGG?
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10-05-2004, 04:54 PM | #14 |
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Earthbound, your reply was anything but relevant to my post.
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10-05-2004, 05:24 PM | #15 |
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must we lump everything into one single philosophy/religion/science post? i dont see why. it seems fine to me. especially when we have so few true meaty threads going on here. but i suppose we could make one gigantic post and call it EVERYTHING and close all the others.
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10-05-2004, 05:53 PM | #16 |
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When we already have several other threads meant for discussing or at least lend themselves to the discussion of religion/philosophy/science posts, why make another one and clutter up the board? THey always get flooded by the same people saying ultimately the same thing anyway.
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10-05-2004, 07:02 PM | #17 |
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Oh Starr Polish, don't be such a poopy pants. There hasn't been a discussion on this for... oh... about two months now. Besides, the same old, same old may contribute, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the newbies can't have their little say.
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10-06-2004, 05:01 AM | #18 |
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not only topics, but the issues itself are rendundand - one may find answers, but the questions have ever been the same. so if we assume that there is truth, then the difficult part is to show that everyone participates in truth, whatever subjective views there are that make it difficult to understand it. so if real consent is possible, because thruth has been recognized, it is something like magic, or, more profane, art. in every true work of art we understand beauty and truth. then, words are useless. it is like we read a tale (Tolkien?), and it touches some strings in us that bring us in accordance with universal goodness and truth. but if we would like to explain it to others, or even to ourselves, we fail. that´s human nature, i guess...
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10-06-2004, 06:25 AM | #19 | |
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10-06-2004, 08:53 AM | #20 |
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Rip in the Fabric of Space and Pants
Bloating and Flatulence. Could discuss this instead. Compare the stretching of the fabric of Space to my pants after too much pizza and beer.
Or Get more philosophical and ponder . . . "Is there such a thing, as too much pizza and beer" These are the questions we want answered!!!!!
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