North American Relations

[Nurvingiel]

Inspired by other region-specific discussion, let's talk about all aspects of relations between Canada, Mexico and the United States here! I was originally going to call it "Canada - USA Relations", but let's not leave out Mexico.

Let's kick it off with NAFTA, but we can talk about other North American issues here too.


This was originally from discussion between JD and I in the EU thread.

We were talking about NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement). It was pointed out that both Canada and the US place tarriffs on different goods. Now, I admit I don't know a lot about the specifics of the Free Trade agreement, but I'm sure adding tarriffs goes against it.

Incidentally, isn't Mexico in this agreement too?

What do you (all Mooters) feel about NAFTA? What are the benefits and drawbacks to you? Let's try not to get this topic closed eh?

EDIT: I changed the title because half this thread is also about Central America, and South America should be included too.
EDIT2: Thanks SGH!

[jerseydevil]

Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

Inspired by other region-specific discussion, let's talk about all aspects of relations between Canada, Mexico and the United States here! I was originally going to call it "Canada - USA Relations", but let's not leave out Mexico.

Let's kick it off with NAFTA, but we can talk about other North American issues here too.


This was originally from discussion between JD and I in the EU thread.

We were talking about NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement). It was pointed out that both Canada and the US place tarriffs on different goods. Now, I admit I don't know a lot about the specifics of the Free Trade agreement, but I'm sure adding tarriffs goes against it.

Incidentally, isn't Mexico in this agreement too?

Yes mexico is in it. Here is a Mexican site with various NAFTA links - NAFTA Resources

NAFTA
Article 101:Establishment of the Free Trade Area

The Parties to this Agreement, consistent with Article XXIV of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, hereby establish a free trade area.
Article 102: Objectives

1. The objectives of this Agreement, as elaborated more specifically through its principles and rules, including national treatment, most-favored-nation treatment and transparency, are to:

(a) eliminate barriers to trade in, and facilitate the cross-border movement of, goods and services between the territories of the Parties;

(b) promote conditions of fair competition in the free trade area;

(c) increase substantially investment opportunities in the territories of the Parties;

(d) provide adequate and effective protection and enforcement of intellectual property rights in each Party's territory;

(e) create effective procedures for the implementation and application of this Agreement, for its joint administration and for the resolution of disputes; and

(f) establish a framework for further trilateral, regional and multilateral cooperation to expand and enhance the benefits of this Agreement.

2. The Parties shall interpret and apply the provisions of this Agreement in the light of its objectives set out in paragraph 1 and in accordance with applicable rules of international law.

Article 103: Relation to Other Agreements

1. The Parties affirm their existing rights and obligations with respect to each other under the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade and other agreements to which such Parties are party.
2. In the event of any inconsistency between this Agreement and such other agreements, this Agreement shall prevail to the extent of the inconsistency, except as otherwise provided in this Agreement.

Article 104: Relation to Environmental and Conservation Agreements

1. In the event of any inconsistency between this Agreement and the specific trade obligations set out in:

(a) the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora, done at Washington, March 3, 1973, as amended June 22, 1979,

(b) the Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer, done at Montreal, September 16, 1987, as amended June 29, 1990,

(c) the Basel Convention on the Control of Transboundary Movements of Hazardous Wastes and Their Disposal, done at Basel, March 22, 1989, on its entry into force for Canada, Mexico and the United States, or

(d) the agreements set out in Annex 104.1, such obligations shall prevail to the extent of the inconsistency, provided that where a Party has a choice among equally effective and reasonably available means of complying with such obligations, the Party chooses the alternative that is the least inconsistent with the other provisions of this Agreement.

2. The Parties may agree in writing to modify Annex 104.1 to include any amendment to an agreement referred to in paragraph 1, and any other environmental or conservation agreement.

Article 105:Extent of Obligations

The Parties shall ensure that all necessary measures are taken in order to give effect to the provisions of this Agreement, including their observance, except as otherwise provided in this Agreement, by state and provincial governments.
Annex 104.1
Bilateral and Other Environmental and Conservation Agreements

1. The Agreement Between the Government of Canada and the Government of the United States of America Concerning the Transboundary Movement of Hazardous Waste, signed at Ottawa, October 28, 1986.
2. The Agreement Between the United States of America and the United Mexican States on Cooperation for the Protection and Improvement of the Environment in the Border Area, signed at La Paz, Baja California Sur, August 14, 1983.

What do you (all Mooters) feel about NAFTA? What are the benefits and drawbacks to you? Let's try not to get this topic closed eh?

The benefits is that by working together and making trade between our 3 countries - it allows us to better compete with the EU and Japan and others. it's as simple as that basically. And as time goes on - instead of NAFTA going away - the borders between our three countries will go away too.

[The Gaffer]

Are caribbean countries part of NAFTA?

I'm supporting Cuba's entry

[jerseydevil]

Originally Posted by The Gaffer

Are caribbean countries part of NAFTA?

No - it's an agreement between Canada, America and Mexico.

I'm supporting Cuba's entry

Well that's good. And you should admit Turkey into the EU and they should be allowed to have the death penalty and everything else they were forced to change to even be considered.

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

but turkey isnt in europe, and yet the caribbean states are in northern america

[jerseydevil]

Originally Posted by Last Child of Ungoliant

but turkey isnt in europe, and yet the caribbean states are in northern america

Half of Turkey is in Europe - or do you not know your geography? It's sort of like saying that Russia isn't in Europe because half of it is in Asia.

My argument anyway - is that Cuba does not - nor the other countries have the same ecomony as the US, Canada and mexico - it does not serve to have those countries part of NAFTA because of what NAFTA's purpose is. Just like so many Europeans feel that Turkey does not match up to the requirements for EU membership - even though Turkey IS a European country as much as Russia is.

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

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