Tolkien's Elves - our Earth

Olmer · 11-15-2004, 12:01 AM

In the view of recent discovery of the hobbit-like ancient humanoid and my previous post about astounding implications which comes from the study of the Bible Genesis , an interesting thought came on my mind.

What if it really true and some day we will discover what happened to those offsprings of elves among us and will be able to identify them. What would happen next? Will the world greet them with open arms, put on a pedestal to worship as real descendants of the First children of God?
What is your opinion?

Count Comfect · 11-15-2004, 12:07 AM

I would tend to think the opposite would happen. Race war, that sort of thing. Look at our history. Oh, and of course established religion would have some motivation against them because it would imply a different cosmology.

inked · 11-15-2004, 10:43 AM

Frankly, given the hierarchal nature of reality, it would not make any difference.

Olmer · 11-15-2004, 01:36 PM

I agree that religion won't be happy about such discovery, but considering that it could be a small and very deluded amount , I don't think it could be a war, but probably a witch-hunt.
And according to scientists, the reality is more of chaotic nature , and hierarchy much more depends on circumstantial occurences, so such occurence as a discovery of the immortal's descendants , frankly, in my POV would make a big difference.

Attalus · 11-15-2004, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by inked

Frankly, given the hierarchal nature of reality, it would not make any difference.

I agree. I think they would be instant celebrities, and you know how celebrities are treated. Also, they are beautiful, and that makes quite a difference.

inked · 11-15-2004, 04:19 PM

Count, it would make no difference to Christians due to the hierarchal nature of the universe. Plenty of room for all God's creatures there!

Olmer, which religions would mount a witch hunt? More likely the 'scientific journalist' types would hound them to death, unless the papparrazzi beat them to it and killed them by irradiation of photo-flashes

!

Olmer · 11-17-2004, 06:29 PM

People, wake up and smell reality!

Instant celebrities? Maybe for a few hours, and then, as Count Comfect smartly said, an opposite will happen, because even if we have plenty of room for all God's creatures it doesn't stop human to be biased against each other. The bloodiest and longest wars have been instigated in the name of God to seek a superioriy and by whatever means to insure such dominance.
I think that morally we did not get advanced far enough to be ready to meet the progenies of the Firstborn. Sadly, if any of Elves descendants still were dwelling in our time, than the fact of their origin from immortal type of humanoids would be kept in secrecy.
What difference between Elves and Men?
Considering that the Elves and the Man have the same "faculties", can interbreed, producing healthy offsprings, indicate them as the one biological group with only one little difference - immortality.
And this fact makes a HUGE difference!

"So, if they are the same type, then why they live forever, and I am not?
I want it too!!!"- that would be, naturally, the first thought of many people.

Thanks God, men of the Middle-earth was not so advanced in genetic researches, otherwise the leftover elves would encouter a genocide in such proportions that even Hitler wouldn't dream about.

At present time men of the Earth have even greater lust for immortality....
So, given an opportunity to find this tiny gene which makes such big difference between otherwise similar humans, the scientists, the politicians and even ordinary people wouldn't stop by moral and humane criterias.
The elves offsprings would be hunted worldwide, studied and disected in the name of humanitarianism.

trolls' bane · 07-08-2005, 02:36 AM

I also think that elves would be looked upon as intruders, and worse. Every religion would be against them. Has anyone ever seen Escape from the Planet of the Apes ? That's what I mean.

Acalewia · 07-11-2005, 05:47 PM

Are u saying because they look a little bit different then us that every one will hate them and the military will hunt them down like deer?

trolls' bane · 07-12-2005, 12:43 AM

No, I'm saying that the majority of humans would be extremely jealous and consider them invaders. But basically it will follow the same pattern as Escape from the Planet of the Apes: they will be welcomed, then we'll find out they are immortal, and the immoral (no, that is not a spelling error) decide to destroy the immortal because of jealousy. I know humans too well (I have been watching them for the past 300 years

).

Findegil · 07-12-2005, 04:37 AM

I think you have forgotten how the Elves of today are like: They are faded! Only a very few humans are able to see them at all.

And nobody is able to harm them physically because they are purely spiritual in nature nowadays.
So what difference would it make if by some scientific reasoning more people would believe in their being?

Respectfully
Findegil

trolls' bane · 07-12-2005, 09:38 AM

Hmm, good point.

ecthelion · 07-14-2005, 09:24 AM

Not so; The elves of middle earth are faded, but not those of the blessed realm. They could decide to visit again middle earth, or we might find them somehow

trolls' bane · 07-14-2005, 03:46 PM

We could find them. If we sail west just before we die...

11-15-2004, 12:01 AM	#1
Olmer Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: LI-woods, NY Posts: 653	Tolkien's Elves - our Earth In the view of recent discovery of the hobbit-like ancient humanoid and my previous post about astounding implications which comes from the study of the Bible Genesis , an interesting thought came on my mind. What if it really true and some day we will discover what happened to those offsprings of elves among us and will be able to identify them. What would happen next? Will the world greet them with open arms, put on a pedestal to worship as real descendants of the First children of God? What is your opinion? Last edited by Olmer : 11-17-2004 at 05:55 PM.

11-15-2004, 12:07 AM	#2
Count Comfect Word Santa Claus Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,922	I would tend to think the opposite would happen. Race war, that sort of thing. Look at our history. Oh, and of course established religion would have some motivation against them because it would imply a different cosmology. __________________ Sufficient to have stood, yet free to fall.

11-15-2004, 10:43 AM	#3
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	Frankly, given the hierarchal nature of reality, it would not make any difference. __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

11-15-2004, 04:19 PM	#6
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	Count, it would make no difference to Christians due to the hierarchal nature of the universe. Plenty of room for all God's creatures there! Olmer, which religions would mount a witch hunt? More likely the 'scientific journalist' types would hound them to death, unless the papparrazzi beat them to it and killed them by irradiation of photo-flashes ! __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

11-17-2004, 06:29 PM	#7
Olmer Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: LI-woods, NY Posts: 653	People, wake up and smell reality! Instant celebrities? Maybe for a few hours, and then, as Count Comfect smartly said, an opposite will happen, because even if we have plenty of room for all God's creatures it doesn't stop human to be biased against each other. The bloodiest and longest wars have been instigated in the name of God to seek a superioriy and by whatever means to insure such dominance. I think that morally we did not get advanced far enough to be ready to meet the progenies of the Firstborn. Sadly, if any of Elves descendants still were dwelling in our time, than the fact of their origin from immortal type of humanoids would be kept in secrecy. What difference between Elves and Men? Considering that the Elves and the Man have the same "faculties", can interbreed, producing healthy offsprings, indicate them as the one biological group with only one little difference - immortality. And this fact makes a HUGE difference! "So, if they are the same type, then why they live forever, and I am not? I want it too!!!"- that would be, naturally, the first thought of many people. Thanks God, men of the Middle-earth was not so advanced in genetic researches, otherwise the leftover elves would encouter a genocide in such proportions that even Hitler wouldn't dream about. At present time men of the Earth have even greater lust for immortality.... So, given an opportunity to find this tiny gene which makes such big difference between otherwise similar humans, the scientists, the politicians and even ordinary people wouldn't stop by moral and humane criterias. The elves offsprings would be hunted worldwide, studied and disected in the name of humanitarianism. Last edited by Olmer : 11-17-2004 at 09:51 PM.

11-15-2004, 01:36 PM	#4
Olmer Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: LI-woods, NY Posts: 653	I agree that religion won't be happy about such discovery, but considering that it could be a small and very deluded amount , I don't think it could be a war, but probably a witch-hunt. And according to scientists, the reality is more of chaotic nature , and hierarchy much more depends on circumstantial occurences, so such occurence as a discovery of the immortal's descendants , frankly, in my POV would make a big difference.

07-08-2005, 02:36 AM	#8
trolls' bane Entmoot Secretary of the Treasury Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Campsite-by-Giraffe Posts: 5,408	I also think that elves would be looked upon as intruders, and worse. Every religion would be against them. Has anyone ever seen Escape from the Planet of the Apes ? That's what I mean. __________________ KI6PFA Amateur Radio Operator

07-11-2005, 05:47 PM	#9
Acalewia Halfelven Daughter of the Dunedain, President of Entmoot Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: In trouble. As usual. Posts: 4,674	Are u saying because they look a little bit different then us that every one will hate them and the military will hunt them down like deer?

07-12-2005, 12:43 AM	#10
trolls' bane Entmoot Secretary of the Treasury Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Campsite-by-Giraffe Posts: 5,408	No, I'm saying that the majority of humans would be extremely jealous and consider them invaders. But basically it will follow the same pattern as Escape from the Planet of the Apes: they will be welcomed, then we'll find out they are immortal, and the immoral (no, that is not a spelling error) decide to destroy the immortal because of jealousy. I know humans too well (I have been watching them for the past 300 years ). __________________ KI6PFA Amateur Radio Operator

07-12-2005, 04:37 AM	#11
Findegil Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Geilenkirchen, Germany Posts: 192	I think you have forgotten how the Elves of today are like: They are faded! Only a very few humans are able to see them at all. And nobody is able to harm them physically because they are purely spiritual in nature nowadays. So what difference would it make if by some scientific reasoning more people would believe in their being? Respectfully Findegil

07-12-2005, 09:38 AM	#12
trolls' bane Entmoot Secretary of the Treasury Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Campsite-by-Giraffe Posts: 5,408	Hmm, good point. __________________ KI6PFA Amateur Radio Operator

07-14-2005, 09:24 AM	#13
ecthelion Enting Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Gondolin. in travian.it server5 Posts: 91	Not so; The elves of middle earth are faded, but not those of the blessed realm. They could decide to visit again middle earth, or we might find them somehow __________________ The green earth, say you? That is a mighty matter of legend, though you tread it under the light of day! What does "LOL" mean?

07-14-2005, 03:46 PM	#14
trolls' bane Entmoot Secretary of the Treasury Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Campsite-by-Giraffe Posts: 5,408	We could find them. If we sail west just before we die... __________________ KI6PFA Amateur Radio Operator

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