Rapist wins lottery...

Ragnarok · 08-12-2004, 02:40 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3554008.stm

Interesting case. What do you think he should do with the money? On one hand, psychological damage from rape can last all life, so it wouldn't be entirely unappropriate for him to compensate his victims, even if it is 20 years after said crimes. On the other, he sat out most of a life-sentence already. It just isn't right to go after him because he got lucky and just happens to be a criminal. And after all, he did pay his lottery ticket like anyone else...

thoughts?

Insidious Rex · 08-12-2004, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragnarok

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3554008.stm

Interesting case. What do you think he should do with the money? On one hand, psychological damage from rape can last all life, so it wouldn't be entirely unappropriate for him to compensate his victims, even if it is 20 years after said crimes. On the other, he sat out most of a life-sentence already. It just isn't right to go after him because he got lucky and just happens to be a criminal. And after all, he did pay his lottery ticket like anyone else...

thoughts?

he won it fair and square. i dont see how you can take it away from him. the funny part is they put him in a high security situation because they are afraid that inmates will kill him when they find out hes a lottery millionare.

Ragnarok · 08-12-2004, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

he won it fair and square. i dont see how you can take it away from him. the funny part is they put him in a high security situation because they are afraid that inmates will kill him when they find out hes a lottery millionare.

This happened in England, so I'm not sure how things work there.

gimli7410 · 08-12-2004, 04:09 PM

looks like his wife wants to sue him and take some share of the money and give it to his victims, she may be entitled to some because they are not divorced yet.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004371452,00.html

Gwaimir Windgem · 04-13-2006, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

he won it fair and square. i dont see how you can take it away from him. the funny part is they put him in a high security situation because they are afraid that inmates will kill him when they find out hes a lottery millionare.

I agree. Lottery isn't based on lifestyle, morality, or not being a complete [CENSORED], but on luck. He got lucky.

Farimir Captain of Gondor · 04-13-2006, 05:33 PM

Okay, so no one knows how a person serving a life sentence and has a history of attacking women in public can get a day pass to just prance around town and buy lotto tickets? What's going on in Merry Ol' England?

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Hoare, 53, was jailed for life in May 1989 and spent 16 years in prison.

It was while he was on day release late in 2004, prior to being freed on parole the following March, that he bought the lottery ticket which netted him £7.2m.

There are people in jail right now serving 20 yrs without the possibility of parole for growing and selling a plant to other consenting adults, this guy rapes elderly women and he only serves 16 yrs of a life sentence? For what, good behavior? Maybe that's because in prison he doesn't have access to women. The judicial system is a joke.

Ragnarok · 08-12-2004, 10:09 PM

However, now that he is a millionaire, his victims will probably sue him, which in all honesty is bullcrap, because it's obvious they are just going after his new money. I also feel he paid the consequences, and a turn of good fortune for him should not automatically mean a way for his victims to get his winnings. Him winning the lottery and having raped someone are two totally unrelated things. Both things should follow their course separately. I think it is likely his victims will sue him out of sheer greed. I hope the rape victims will realize that money won't solve their emotional problems.

BeardofPants · 08-12-2004, 11:37 PM

What? Just because he spent some time in jail doesn't mean that the women he raped have gotten over it. I think he should pay compensation to his victims. Something as horrific as rape takes something away from the victims that can NEVER be repaired.

Ragnarok · 08-12-2004, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BeardofPants

What? Just because he spent some time in jail doesn't mean that the women he raped have gotten over it. I think he should pay compensation to his victims. Something as horrific as rape takes something away from the victims that can NEVER be repaired.

I know that, but money won't do crap for their emotional problems, check my last sentence. I think it would be very greedy to sue the rapist, since the event happened 20 years ago. I think something constructive should be done with the money like giving some of it to a organization that helps raped woman. The rapist could/should give some compensation to the rape victims however, I do not think it should be made mandatory.

BeardofPants · 08-13-2004, 12:07 AM

Yeah? So what? Read my last sentence. That the rapes happened 20+ years ago is irrelevant. They will NEVER recover from being brutalised. I agree with you that some of the money should go towards a rape crisis organisation though.

The Gaffer · 08-13-2004, 04:36 AM

Maybe his parole board could consider how he disposes of this wealth as evidence of his contrition. Otherwise, I don't see what him winning the lottery has to do with his criminal record.

IMO, it would be good if his victims could sue him. However, the elapsed time is relevant, because there's a statute of limitations of, I think, 6 years on civil claims for compensation.

08-12-2004, 02:40 PM	#1
Ragnarok Rohirrim Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PA Posts: 590	Rapist wins lottery... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3554008.stm Interesting case. What do you think he should do with the money? On one hand, psychological damage from rape can last all life, so it wouldn't be entirely unappropriate for him to compensate his victims, even if it is 20 years after said crimes. On the other, he sat out most of a life-sentence already. It just isn't right to go after him because he got lucky and just happens to be a criminal. And after all, he did pay his lottery ticket like anyone else... thoughts?

08-12-2004, 04:09 PM	#4
gimli7410 the dumb stoner canuck Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: canada Posts: 2,542	looks like his wife wants to sue him and take some share of the money and give it to his victims, she may be entitled to some because they are not divorced yet. http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004371452,00.html __________________ -"Down with the system"-Serj tankian of system of a down -“Humans have been on the earth for millions of years, yet we don’t believe man began thinking until he started building walls. And what good have these walls ever done us?”-Serj tankian of soad -"stupid people do stupid things"-Serj tankian of soad "Trying is the first step to failure" Homer Simpson "It isn't going to be easy"-jerseydevil "only the good die young" I AM CANADIAN If the people lead, the leaders will follow. Last edited by gimli7410 : 08-12-2004 at 04:13 PM.

08-12-2004, 11:37 PM	#8
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	What? Just because he spent some time in jail doesn't mean that the women he raped have gotten over it. I think he should pay compensation to his victims. Something as horrific as rape takes something away from the victims that can NEVER be repaired. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

08-13-2004, 12:07 AM	#10
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Yeah? So what? Read my last sentence. That the rapes happened 20+ years ago is irrelevant. They will NEVER recover from being brutalised. I agree with you that some of the money should go towards a rape crisis organisation though. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

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08-12-2004, 10:09 PM	#7
Ragnarok Rohirrim Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PA Posts: 590	However, now that he is a millionaire, his victims will probably sue him, which in all honesty is bullcrap, because it's obvious they are just going after his new money. I also feel he paid the consequences, and a turn of good fortune for him should not automatically mean a way for his victims to get his winnings. Him winning the lottery and having raped someone are two totally unrelated things. Both things should follow their course separately. I think it is likely his victims will sue him out of sheer greed. I hope the rape victims will realize that money won't solve their emotional problems.

08-13-2004, 04:36 AM	#11
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	Maybe his parole board could consider how he disposes of this wealth as evidence of his contrition. Otherwise, I don't see what him winning the lottery has to do with his criminal record. IMO, it would be good if his victims could sue him. However, the elapsed time is relevant, because there's a statute of limitations of, I think, 6 years on civil claims for compensation.