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Do elves have souls?
Here's an interesting question. Do elves have souls? It's an interesting debate, one that I have no answer to.
Maybe they're like the mermaids of Hans Christian Anderson; living 700 years, (or, in this case, forever if not killed) but then dissolving into sea foam at the end of those years. Or maybe they do have souls, but they don't die of natural causes, so don't go to their "heaven" very often. What do you think?
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Yes Elves have souls. After they are slain there spirit (or fea) goes to the Halls of Mandos, then after a time (if allowed) they are reimbodied.
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If you mean a separate part of the Elves that lives on, then yes... that is the fea or spirit, as Melko Belcha has explained.
The time that is spent in Mandos as fea (spirit) without a hroa (body) depends upon how much time that fea needs to heal. If the Elf did bad things while the hroa and fea were together, before death, then the fea must spend a great deal of time in Mandos healing. After that time, the fea is reborn in Valinor. The Elves no longer return here among the Atani. |
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I agree with you three.
And as another, more different argument, elves are good and happy people. I think, generally, if you have no soul you're pretty messed up mentally (and not like the Hobbit elves).
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That's something I didn't know, and you're right, Bombadillo, you would probably be messed up without a soul, but here's an argument against all of yours.
Elves are the embodiment of good, for the most part, and they are almost perfect. Such perfection in many stories does not allow room to grow, or to change. In fact, most elves do not change in their thousands of years, while humans, of course change a lot. In my opinion, a soul is all of the essence that makes up a person, including their faults, changes, and growths. A lot of elves lack these things.
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Good argument Kalile, but i think they do change, even personality-wise. They're just really old people, and old people are ussually old fasioned. They're all old enough to have found a lifestyle they like so they're sticking with it.
Proof: Look at Elf Girl. She's different. She moots, on a computer. I bet she wasn't born with a computer. And look at the elf in Anglorfin's signature. I bet he wasn't born with an interest in guitar. I see what you mean though, about improvment.
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