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The Silmarillion: Ch.2 Of Aulë and Yavanna
First of all: sorry to have kept you all waiting. I remembered the wrong posting date until SGH kindly reminded me.
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(2) On a more pleasant note: Aulë made only the Seven Fathers of the dwarves. How did they find the necessary Seven Mothers to start the race? Quote:
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Re: The Silmarillion: Ch.2 Of Aulë and Yavanna
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Nice opening post Earniel - I hope to be back with something more useful to contribute!
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Ents, Entwives and ?
It seems that the Ents and Entwives were spirits of quite different natures, and therefore likely that their estrangement would be foreshadowed in the Music. To answer this, we need to consider who these "spirits" were and where they came from. However, it does suggest that the Ents were more akin to Maiar than to Elves, say, and may have participated in the Music at the beginning of days.
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As for Aule and Yavanna, clearly this is the original case of opposites attracting. There is so little information in LOTR and Sil about how Dwarves procreate that it's hard to tell how the Seven "Fathers" procreated. Does anyone have any info from HoME or other sources to add? cheers d. |
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They balanced each other perfectly or in simpler terms (as has already been said here) opposites attract. |
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Good point, Artanis! I hadn't noticed the 'afortime' yet.
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I suspect that Yavanna was the sexiest female Vala.
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A little Aule-wannabe, are you, eh?
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Little?!?!
Back on Aule now. I have wondered how close he came to a rebbleion like Melkor's, or to joining Melkor, ast an early date, beofre there was much ill feeling between them. He came to that nexus of pride vs duty, and was ready to sacrifice his greatest creation to remain in Eru's service. Last edited by Lefty Scaevola : 01-17-2003 at 06:49 PM. |
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(1) Ilúvatar gave the Dwarves ‘a place’. Would this signify that the Dwarves were not originally foreseen in the Song that the Ainur sung before Ilúvatar’s throne and are therefore not bound by the music? Or would they indeed be part of it since Ilúvatar gave them a place?
I like SGH's post on this - not an original plan, but after offered to Iluvatar by Aule, incorporated into the plan. (2) On a more pleasant note: Aulë made only the Seven Fathers of the dwarves. How did they find the necessary Seven Mothers to start the race? I thought I had read somewhere that each of the seven awoke with his spouse by his side, but I'm not sure of this at all... the Sil says Aule "laid them [the fathers] to rest in far-sundered places", but he must have added their spouses at some time. I wonder why "far-sundered" - what a shock it must have been for them to meet up!
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Another thing about the seven fathers of the dwarves: They alone of the dwarves were reincarnated after death in the manner of the Elves. I wonder why this was appointed to them alone, and not to all the dwarves?
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1. Durin father of the longbeards woke in Mount Gundabad. He had no spouse, and married a Dwarven women of a younger generation.
Hmm, i bielieve one awoke in the Blue Mountains, and one in a mountian range that was between the Misty mts. and the Orocarni (Mountain range close ot Cuivenen, in hte East) and a a couple in the Orocarni. That's off the top of my head, though the two may have awoke in the Blue Mountains, hence Belegost and Nogrod. |
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Fne, how can you keep a discussion going here when you lot all agree with each other.
I don't think any one has tried an explanation for this one before: (5)It is interesting that after Yavanna’s wish for the Ents was granted, Ilúvatar also gave life to the Eagles who would be in Middle-earth before even the Children, the Ents or Dwarves. Any ideas on why this is?
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I also think the Ents sprung out of the thoughts of Yavanna, and the Eagles from the thoughts of them both together. It seems to me that Manwe was inspired by Yavanna to put the Eagles into the music: Quote:
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