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11-03-2003, 01:05 AM | #1 | ||||
The Tall
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The Silmarillion Ch 14: Of Beleriand and Its Realms
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.” As an adjective American is: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere. As a noun American is: A native or inhabitant of America. A citizen of the United States. Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again: 1. The United States. 2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America. Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?” The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.” The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance. |
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11-03-2003, 01:07 AM | #2 | ||||||
The Tall
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Angrod and Aegnor
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.” As an adjective American is: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere. As a noun American is: A native or inhabitant of America. A citizen of the United States. Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again: 1. The United States. 2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America. Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?” The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.” The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance. |
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11-03-2003, 01:10 AM | #3 | |||||
The Tall
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.” As an adjective American is: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere. As a noun American is: A native or inhabitant of America. A citizen of the United States. Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again: 1. The United States. 2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America. Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?” The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.” The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance. |
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11-03-2003, 01:13 AM | #4 | |||
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Related Material: We have From The Shaping of Middle-Earth: The Quenta, The First Silmarillion Map. From The Lost Road and Other Writtings: Quenta Silmarillion, The Second Silmarillion Map and From The War of the Jewels: Of Beleriand and it’s Realms
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.” As an adjective American is: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere. As a noun American is: A native or inhabitant of America. A citizen of the United States. Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again: 1. The United States. 2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America. Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?” The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.” The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance. |
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11-03-2003, 05:23 AM | #5 |
Greatest Elven woman of Aman
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Links to the maps of Beleriand from the published Silmarillion may be handy:
Map of Beleriand The Elven kingdoms
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11-03-2003, 11:09 AM | #6 |
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A good overview of a difficult, and some say, tedious chapter. I found it hard to get through the first time without the map open before me, but it is much more interesitng on subsequent readings when you get to know the protagonists better. Thanks, Maedhros, for getting us back up to schedule.
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11-03-2003, 11:48 AM | #7 |
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Thanks for posting the chapter Maedhros. As of now, we have four stickies. I will unstick this chapter and chapter 15 on November 14th, which is the due date for chapter 16. That will give us just about 11 days to discuss this chapter.
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11-03-2003, 01:26 PM | #8 |
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I must admit that these geography chapters just fly over my head. I've never been good at geography.
That's a good note on Turgon's kingdom, Maedhros, I never thought of that! "This last quotes, kind of destroys the notion that Gondolin was made up of wholly of Ñoldorian elves."
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11-03-2003, 11:39 PM | #9 |
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This chapter became more coherent for me after I started refering to 'The Atlas of Middle-earth' by Karen Wynn Fonstad. The first section of the book deals with the First Age. The author has also included detailed maps of the battles and the journeys of important individuals such as Turin and Beren.
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