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HP and the Order of the Phoenix
No worries, Rad, about spoiling the next book, because I've already read it! Actually I read it before the 4th book!
Anyway, I didn't like it as much. Too much fighting, not enough of the fun relational stuff. The house was funny, tho, with that screaming picture. Can't blame Sirius for wanting to get out! So when do we find out why Dumbledore trusts Snape?
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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Rian,
The series should be read in order of publication!!!!! I've ranted on that before in the Narnia thread, remember? You are reading a "coming of age" story in the classic British school story, after all! (And just for those insistent that religion gets into EVERY thread)...You wouldn't read Revelation before Matthew, now would you? (I mean from scratch!) .
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*runs and hides from inky's wrath* I'll be good from now on, though!
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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And I really don't like the fact she killed Sirius - not that I particulary liked/disliked Sirius. I don't like the fact she feels oblidged to kill one of her main characters in every book, probably for the rumours that someone is going to die. I all of Hagrid's part... well, not all - all the part with his brother? Grip? Gramp? eh, slipped my mind. I think it wa sjust a waste of time, and was done only to make the book longer - don't really see why. Seems like she feels as if she must write every book longer than the one she wrote before. And of course - I didn't like Harry. He was extremely annoying, yelling on everyone. Especially at the start, and the ending - after Sirius died. I don't really see what she was trying to achieve in that. His bad personality and attitude of things he didn't really understand? Frankly - the book was a disappointment to me. But as I said, some people thought it was very good. Somehow. |
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You know, I felt the same about Harry and was very disappointed in his character. Kept trying to justify it to myself that he was just "being a teenager". But none of the other teens seemed to have the same bad atttitude. (I admit, none of the others have been through exactly what he's been through.) Hope he shapes up in the next book. |
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I enjoyed the book, anyway in the hope that harry's character improves in the last books.
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Yeah, I felt that, too.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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Check this out: http://www.hogwartsprofessor.com/hom...e=docs/phoenix Let me know what you think.
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Erm... well, Granger was the first thing I noticed.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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04-21-2005, 09:38 AM | #13 |
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Well, Rian,
Magicians are not the only people who pull things out of their hats! What specifically did you think "presto! chango!"?
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Inked: in the Sirius thread, I might have been confused, but I thought I'd ask about it here because it is perhaps the more appropriate thread.
You said "...if being in the Order of the Phoenix means what I think it does," in relation to Sirius and his ability to communicate with Harry post mortem. I read the posts to which you pointed me, but didn't find the answer. I am interested, because that phrase sounds like you have an interesting theory regarding membership in the Order. |
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Azalea,
I am sure one named after so gracious and lovely and Southern a flower will forgive my inescusable tardiness in replying to this question! I have bumped the Christian themes in HP thread and suggest that you view from post #8 onwards so that my reply makes some sort of sense. Particularly the posts dealing with Fawkes and the symbolism involved (including the rather long background notes on the phoenix itself). It seems clear to me that the Order of the Phoenix bears a Christian symbolism on the basis of the symbolic use of the Phoenix as a Christ symbol and the word Order. In the most common usage of an order, it suggests a religious grouping (as the order of Dominicans or Franciscans, etc) primarily; though there are secular groupings using the word (Order of the Garter, for instance). It is not much of a stretch, IMHO, to see the OoTP as a symbol of the church. It draws its members from the society in which it is, includes the greatest and least of members of that social grouping, and is forming them into something new. It requires dedication, sacrifice, and obedience. And, while the OoTP forms an obvious analogue to resistance movements in a political sense, I think it is more than that. I am looking diagonally, of course. But, one must remember that the church has been one of the largest on-going resistance movements against the rulers of this world in both political and spiritual senses of rulers!
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Okay, thanks!
I read the Christian themes thread -- very interesting! (Hey, just 6 weeks left!) |
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I didn't see this until now, so excuse the late response.
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