Early Towers Reviews

[Pailan]

I have been reading a few of the TTT reviews that are out on the net. And WOW! I can't wait for the 18th. There are how ever some very drastic changes in this movie compared to the book.

SPOILERS! Don't read if you don't want to know....

Aragon goes warg riding off a cliff

No Hurons or Ents at Helms Deep

Farimir gets killed.

More Arwen stuff.

And those are the ones that really stood out.

Still I can't wait to see the movie.

[Coney]

Originally posted by Pailan


Farimir gets killed.

They're gonna ignore some of my favourite scenes in ROTK!

[Sween]

Originally posted by Coney
They're gonna ignore some of my favourite scenes in ROTK!

no they are not it just says hes gonna put his life on the line.

Frodo and sam going to gondor? i think that means they go to the ruined city of osaglith. If its the same revie i read the revier openly admits not reading ROTK.

[Coney]

Originally posted by Sween
no they are not it just says hes gonna put his life on the line.
.

Phew.......

[Gerbil]

OK, from those few comments I am immediately discounting your sources.

What a pile of rubbish.

Call me cynical, but without even having seen the film I rate those comments 0/10 for accuracy.

Who will be eating their words come the 18th eh?

Time for predictions:

- Aragorn nearly dies in warg battle
- Arwen saves his life at Helm's deep
- Arwen and the damn elves crop up for the battle
- Haldir dies
- Hourns are not shown that much, and are merely mopping up forces at helm's deep
- Arwen rides paths of the dead
- Gimli acts camp and has stupid comedy lines
- Pippin acts stupid and has camp comedy lines
- We don't get to see the Ents storming Orthanc
- Saruman gets pushed out of Orthanc and killed by Grima
- Gollum wears a wig
- Arwen spontaneously combusts (more hope than a prediction)
- The film is amazing
- The film is nothing like the book

There you go. Come on people, be brave and guess
I'm happy enough, got 2 tickets for the first showing on the 18th, so not too long to wait now.

[Elf.Freak]

teehee! Aragorn rides off a cliff! pretty dangerous


my sister has an orchestra performance so I can't see it the day it comes out, unfair!

[Coney]

Legolas and Gimli will "bond" after Gimli trips over his own beard and Legolas saves his life at the battle of Helms Deep.

There will not be an Entmoot.......Treebeard will simply give a yell and the Ents and Hourns will follow him from Fangorn.

Frodo will contract conjuctivitis as his constantly tear-filled eyes become infected.........he will not smile

Aragorn will persuade Theoden to lead the charge out of Helms Deep.

Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas will arrive seconds after Merry and Pippin have escaped the Uruk Hai........arriving just in time to aid Eomer with the "mopping up" of the Orcs

[Gerbil]

My money is on Arwen falling in love with Eowyn.

[Sween]

Originally posted by Gerbil
OK, from those few comments I am immediately discounting your sources.

What a pile of rubbish.

Call me cynical, but without even having seen the film I rate those comments 0/10 for accuracy.

Who will be eating their words come the 18th eh?

most likely you!!

[Gerbil]

Originally posted by Sween
most likely you!!

Some more details please? Exactly how and why?

I did just notice something in my first post here that needs clarifying - I am not saying all the original ideas are false, merely some of them are so outrageous they don't really demand any more attention.

And let's face it, (which was presumably the point of this thread) do you really WANT them to be correct?

[Sween]

http://www.lightsoutentertainment.co...=2&reviewID=31

seems pretty realiable this review

[Gerbil]

Originally posted by Sween
http://www.lightsoutentertainment.co...=2&reviewID=31

seems pretty realiable this review

Yes, I agree - the man obviously knows what he's talking about:

Let's dive right into the magic and lore that can only be The Lord Of The Rings...

except of course it's not, it's had so many changes, and later

This is exactly true to the book. But, the question is, does The Two Towers stand alone as an independent movie from the others? Does is bear it's own weight? Personally, I'd lean towards NO rather than YES. The fact that you are thrown into the middle of a story with a bunch of characters you don't know and aren't introduced to in the film might confuse someone who has never seen or heard of Lord Of The Rings before.

What an idiot. Apart from being obviously wrong, he's asking quite possibly one of the most stupid questions ever.

However, that doesn't mean his comments on what actually happens in the film are any less accurate.

Personally I still hold onto the fact that I HOPE I am right, being wrong will not be bad because 'I'm wrong', but simply because PJ has butchered the story so massively.

The inevitable answer to the question of 'Has PJ created the definitive LotR films?' becomes that little bit easier to answer if this report is accurate.

[Sween]

i think some of the changes sound intriguing. i like haing the book as the book and the film as the film. as long as it entertains me i aint too fussed.

the reviewer was obvosly not very cluded up on the world of tolkien though.

But it does sound like hes seen the fil

the lucky bugger

[Millane]

can i just ask when where the Ents and the Huorns at Helms Deep... are you talking about the episode when they kill all the Uruks by using the moving forest??? that wasnt helms deep was it...

[Gerbil]

Originally posted by Sween
[B]i think some of the changes sound intriguing. i like haing the book as the book and the film as the film. as long as it entertains me i aint too fussed.

I agree, it's definately helpful being able to keep the two apart in your mind. But everyone loves to have a bitch every now and then. Most of the problems I have with it is simply the implication that Tolkien's life's work, as one of the greatest feats of modern literature, is deemed to be flawed in a way that a man and girlfriend team can quickly fix for a few films. Tolkien would be turning in his grave. So the films are fine, but they are a bit of an insult to the main man. Whether that matters is another question entirely.

[Entlover]

This is Hollywood (or the Kiwi equivalent).

I didn't happen to have a few million lying around handy, or I'd have done it myself.

[Foul_Dwimmerlaik]

Most of the problems I have with it is simply the implication that Tolkien's life's work, as one of the greatest feats of modern literature, is deemed to be flawed in a way that a man and girlfriend team can quickly fix for a few films. Tolkien would be turning in his grave. So the films are fine, but they are a bit of an insult to the main man. Whether that matters is another question entirely.

I think that's a bit unfair, Gerbil. There are limitations in screenwriting, notably the need to enter scenes as late as possible, and to limit characters so that you don't get bogged down in exposition, that novelists don't have to worry about. You have to show, not tell...it's not a dramatic reading. Remember...you are unusually knowledgable about the source material. You wouldn't need five minutes of explanation of who Glorfindel is, further slowing down an already precariously talky Rivendell scene. But the films aren't made for you...they are made for Joe Moviegoer, at the request of Big Corporation with Anxious Shareholders.

i guess I'm just saying that you should cut Jackson some slack. At the very least, you got a movie that beautifully realizes Tolkein's world, if not his characters. Imagine if this movie went to some Hollywood hack like Michael Bay.

[Khamûl]

Originally posted by Millane
can i just ask when where the Ents and the Huorns at Helms Deep... are you talking about the episode when they kill all the Uruks by using the moving forest??? that wasnt helms deep was it...

Yes, it was at Helm's Deep. They got caught between a rock and hard place in the Deep, went into the forest and were never seen again.

[Millane]

thanks for that...
yeah everyone stop bagging PJ he is awesome

[Gerbil]

I'm not saying PJ has made bad films, far from it.
At the risk of feeling like I'm repeating myself, I have never said I hate or even dislike the films. I've seen FotR 9 times at the cinema, and many many times more on my computer (since I managed to blag a review copy about a month after the film was released). I love the film, and think he's visualised ME almost perfectly.

As far as the story goes, it's a butchering, and TTT looks like it'll be worse than FotR. Faramir DIES???

I'm well aware films need to be different from books, and I've been well prepared to cut PJ 'some slack' as you say. As Foul_Dwimmerlaik points out, one area where film needs to be changed from book is in basic narrative and talk (If you've ever looked at the length of a normal film's pure script, you'd be amazed how few pages it takes up).

However, my issues of PJ's work is the pointless and senseless changing of the story, the random varying of characters, motives, backgrounds etc. that does not improve the story one bit, and only serves to reinforce my feeling that PJ hasn't even read the darn story!

As a film, it's great. As a reflection of Tolkien's life's work, it's at best poor, and in areas degenerates to an insult.