02-17-2002, 12:36 AM | #1 |
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What's your opinion of Dwarves?
What do you all think of dwarves in general? Do you like them? Hate them? What are your insights on their behavior and attitudes?
There are certainly Dwarves I admire. Gimli especially. There was bad blood between elves and dwarves, yet Gimli was given the title "Elf Friend"and after meeting the lady Galadriel, he considered himself her champion in all things. These were astonishing acheivements for a dwarf. And I think he deserves our respect for his accomplishments. He was kinder than your average dwarf, and more open-minded. He also had a wider world-view than most dwarves, probably very much influenced by his close companionship to the elf, Legolas. As for dwarves in general, I don't think much of them. They are greedy. They are for the most part, only concerened with their own little world of mining, and the rest of the world can go hang. They have a miserly attitude towards the things they make, not so much because of the wealth these things represent, but simply to hoard the art itself. They are like artists gone wrong. They are so consumed by their love of metals, gems, and metalworking that it's like they have no room in their hearts for anything else. While they are strong and brave, they don't seem to have any knack for strategy. They remind me very much of the Ferenghi on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine!
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02-17-2002, 01:16 AM | #2 |
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Aule made them quick to anger, but also quick to friendship. The ones that slew Thingol over the Nauglamir I don't think much of, but I think they are as intersting as the elves. They weren't portrayed very well, though, considering the dissention in the Hobbit, the animosity of the dwarf-lords to the elves in the Council of Elrond, and the slaying of Thingol.
I think most of the exposure we get of the dwarves (besides Gimli and Bilbo's co-adventurers) detracts from their overall P.R. They were mentioned little, so what we know about them is largely determined by these instances. They aren't as corruptible as humans, yet not as fair of alluring as the elves. Well, overall, I really like them all equally, just for differing reasons. The dwarves did plenty of good things, they just weren't mentioned as much as the other races.
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02-17-2002, 02:46 AM | #3 |
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I was never fond of Dwarves either, until I read The Silmarillion. There are many Dwarves in that book who are brave and valiant and fight Morgoth with all they've got - the Naugrim, the Elves called them. After that, I have a certain respect for them. I just wish they weren't so short and stubby.
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02-17-2002, 02:58 AM | #4 |
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I like Dwarves. They're stout-heartedness and independence is really admirable. They work hard, they're brave, they're amusing. So what if they don't get along with Elves all the time? It's not like being an Elf-Friend is that important of a privilege or anything. All the races in Middle Earth are equal, and the Elves are no better than the rest of them. In the Silmarillion they're as greedy as the Dwarves, and proud and vain and foolish to boot. I think Dwarves are definitely as good as Elves and Men (if not as cool as Hobbits and Ents!).
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02-17-2002, 03:08 AM | #5 |
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LOL! I agree! No one is as cool as Hobbits and Ents!
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03-08-2002, 07:57 AM | #6 |
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There or only two dwarves I like.
dain and azaghal and the ones who fought with the elves and men in the 2nd age. there is a tremendous passage in the SIL on page 236 it will change your opinion of dwarves
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YAAAAAAAAAAAAH! DEATH TO DWARVES!!!
Sorry, dwarves and dwarf-lovers out there, we elves tend to be a little predudiced when it comes to dwarves.
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I try desparetly to like Dwarves, but my Elvish nature overcomes me.
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you misread my post "fought with" means on the same side If you read the passage in the SIL on page 236 you will see that i was giving the dwarves great praise
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03-31-2002, 03:27 PM | #11 |
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Um afro-elf I wish you would just type out and post the passage because in my version of the Silmarillion p.236 talks about dior wearing the nauglmir and Sons of Feanor attacking him. Which doesn’t really concern dwarves much.
The Dwarves are always presented with a enough flaws so they keep their (for lack of a better word) Humanity. The more I learn about elves, makes them seem at times overdrawn and almost Saracen to the point where they become caricatures and I stop caring about what happens to them. It’s in the same vein as Galadriel, I liked her much better before I read Unfinished Tales. Charecters can sometimes be overshadowed by their own virtues and loses their personality.
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03-31-2002, 05:46 PM | #12 |
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It would take too long for me to type but is in the 5th battle: nirnaeth arnoediad right after the betrayal of the humans, it concerns the dwarves stand against the dragons
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Oh, sorry. You said there were only two Dwarves you like, so I assumed the passage was the reason you didn't like the others in general. What about The Hobbit's Dwarves? Don't tell me you don't like them!
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I really need to clarify of the NAMED dwarves the only dwarves I cared for were Dain and Azaghal. in the appendix of lotr I like the way they fought in the orc and dwarf war I the hobbit is more for kids. which really aint my thing so i really didn't like the dwarves there that much
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03-31-2002, 09:36 PM | #15 |
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Dwarves were probably the hardiest of the races--really, superior to teh others in my mind--but the books show them as having very poor luck in their history.
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I like Dwarves. They're mysterious
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Dwarves are materialistic and hot-tempered. On the other hand they are honest, trustworthy, hardworking, and loyal, not to mention brave. You could find no more steadfast friend nor faithful ally than a Dwarf. Their virtues far outweigh their vices. I think Dwarves are awesome.
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Go Dwarves! Go Dwarves! *does victory dance*
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personally i think dwarves are good guys to have on your side, there good at what they do and they are hardnosed and dont back down
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