04-18-2003, 11:26 PM | #1 |
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How would you rate the following
1--Basic training
2--Professional competency 3--Outstanding skill 4--Superior 5--Undisputed master 6--Legendary Using this grade scale how would your rate various people of ME at various skills. Example for warriors Hurin and Fingolfin level 6 Glorfindel and Turin level 5 Aragornand Eomer level 4 Gimli and Halbarad level 3 Eowyn, Filli and Killi level 2 Hobbit Sherrifs level 1 ( I think they were called sherrifs)
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About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. |
04-18-2003, 11:30 PM | #2 |
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'Tis Shiriffs (or Shirrifs?), I believe.
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04-18-2003, 11:51 PM | #3 |
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I want to add that there is some leeway in the levels.
Aragorn is better than Eomer, but they have the same ranking. Sort of like in sports. You can have several members on the Olympic squad, but they will not all be equal.
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About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. Last edited by afro-elf : 04-18-2003 at 11:52 PM. |
04-19-2003, 12:49 AM | #4 |
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Hmmm, who didn't you mention yet . . .
Beleg - 6 Bard - 3 Gil-Galad - 5 Elendil - 5 Tulkas - 10 hehe Huan - 6 Thorin - 4 Boromir - 4 Merry and Pippin (at the end of RotK) - 2
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04-19-2003, 10:02 AM | #5 |
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the elves
Feanor - 6 Thingol - 4 Maedhros - 6 Luthien - 6 Maglor - 4 Dior - 5 Fingolfin - 6 Earendil - 5 Fingon - 5 Elrond - 5 Gil - Galad - 5 Legolas - 4 Turgon - 4 Beleg - 5 Finrod - 5 Maeglin - 4 the men Hurin - 6 Eomer - 4 Hour - 5 Theoden - 4 Beren - 5 Prince of dol Amaroth - 4 Tour - 5 Farmir- 4 Turin - 6 Boromir - 4 Elendil - 6 Ewoyn - 4 Isildur - 6 Aragorn - 6 Hobbits Frodo - 1 Sam - 2 Merry - 2 Pippin - 2 others Gimli - 4 Huan - 6 Melian - 6 Gandalf - 6 Thonador - 6
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04-19-2003, 12:11 PM | #6 |
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A poster at xenite posted this:
Galadriel, Luthien, and Arwen - Level 6 babes. Feanor - Level 6 both at Craftsman and [EDITED]. I concur. Last edited by Sister Golden Hair
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About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. |
04-19-2003, 12:20 PM | #7 |
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Mablung: 6
Angrod : 6 Aegnor: 6 Celegorm: 6 Celebrimbor: 6 Curufin: 5 Amrod:4 Amras:4 Argon:6 Finarfin:3 Fingon:6 Legolas:4 Azhagal:5 Ecthelion:6 Rog:6 Eglamoth:6 Galdor:5 Amandil:6 Ar-Pharazon/Tar-calion:6 Eonwe:8 |
04-19-2003, 12:21 PM | #8 |
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I think I'll rate the fellowship:
Merry 2 Pippin 1 Sam 2 Frodo 1 Gandalf 5 Aragorn 5 Gimli 4 Boromir 4 Legolas 4 I have to mention that the 2 of Merry is only because he helped slaying the Witch-King. And Sam because of his skills at Cirith Ungol. But both were IMO more luck than anything else.
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04-20-2003, 11:43 AM | #11 |
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ill do the fellowship to because im too lazy to write down all those other names.
Gandalf-6 Aragorn-6 Legolas-4 ish maybe 5 gimli-4ish maybe 5 boromir-4 frodo-2 sam-2 merry-2 pippen-2
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04-20-2003, 11:56 AM | #13 |
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hahaha yea. well i gave frodo 2 because he did endure the ringwraiths stab and a lot of other things and i dont like sam too much but yea he did kill the spiders so ill change it
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04-20-2003, 04:15 PM | #14 |
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I would think all of the elves of the noble bloodlines would at least be a high level 5, if not 6.
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04-20-2003, 04:32 PM | #15 |
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I think the hobbits deserve less than level 2, because they had just a basic training. (they deserved 0 before they met Aragorn and arrivesd to Rivendell).
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04-20-2003, 09:59 PM | #16 |
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I concur with Rad the Brown. I think several people here have greatly OVER estimated the characters here.
"Tolkien's universe ranged in >vision from low fantasy to the highest of the high. There could hardly be>any more severe contrast than that between Bilbo Baggins and Turin >Turambar, yet they are both heroes of Tolkien's Middle-Earth." Just because people are heroes does not mean that they are equal with other heroes. I will repost this 1--Basic training 2--Professional competency 3--Outstanding skill 4--Superior 5--Undisputed master 6--Legendary Using this grade scale how would your rate various people of ME at various skills. Example for warriors Hurin and Fingolfin level 6 Glorfindel and Turin level 5 Aragornand Eomer level 4 Gimli and Halbarad level 3 Eowyn, Filli and Killi level 2 Hobbit Sherrifs level 1 ( I think they were called sherrifs) Hurin and Fingolfin were the greatest warriors to walk ME. Fin against Morgoth and Hurin's last stand against 70 trolls are feats in arms unmatched. In The Sil itself it says that Hurin was the greatest MORTAL warrior ever to live. They are the best of the best. The only others I would even consider here would be Feanor, Maedhros, and Dior. It took a few Balrogs to slay Feanor, Maedhros was considered Feanor's greatest son in arms, and Dior killed THREE sons of Feanor in a 3 on 1 battle. I think to list Aragorn here is not appropriate. He would not fair well against the level sixers. Other analogies Conan, Wayne Gretzky, Bobby Orr, Michael Jordon, Yoda, Captain Kirk, Einstein, Shakespeare, Pele, Lee Mu Bai (From Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon) , The Emperor Alexander the Great and Genghis Khan, Neo from the Matrix and for evil Hitler. These stand above the rest throughout all history. Thus, legendary. These would be Supra-genius' Glorfindel and Turin 5 To expand my level 5 I would add Beren, Ecthelion, Azhagal, Gil galad, Elendil, Beleg and perhaps Mablung. These guys slew, Balrogs, stood against Sauron, and Dragons. Here I might add Aragorn, Elrond, Cirdan, Anarion ( one of my favorites for holding Sauron at bay for 5 years when Sauron attacked Gondor with the ring )and Isildur. Other analogies Mace Windu, Ray Bourque, Guy Lafluer, Captain Picard, Darth Vader, Tamerlane, Boba Fett, Morpheus from the Matrix. Maybe David Beckham, Jesse Owens and Sir Lancelot. For Evil the Lord of the Nazgul. These would the the genius' of the world. The ONLY ones to be better than these would be the supra-genius. They would be the best of their generation. There fame would be known world wide. Level 4 Eomer, Boromir, Dain, Faramir, and Imrahil. Other analogies Maximus from Gladiator, Captain Sisko, Wedge Antillies, Trinity from the Matrix, Evil Darth Maul. These are the people who are capable of competing for medals at the Olympics. They are all stars. If >they command on the battlefield bet that their side will win" Level 3. Gimli, Halbarad, Erkenbrand, Legolas, Other analogies Worf, Luke Skywalker in Empire Strikes Back Maybe Special forces level. "stands out in the crowd. They're as good or better than>the best real life human fencer. They could hold their ground against >fifteen to twenty Ordinary foes, or clean out half that number. 3-level>leader who goes to one area of a battlefield can usually carry the day in >that area, even if the whole battle is lost." Level 2 Eowyn, Elfhelm, Beregond, Hama These would be extremely competent professionals. Well trained and/or experienced. They quite good at technique and good leaders. SWAT team training level. Level one. They are your basic soldiers in the army. Trained and capabale of doing their jobs. In non military maybe your basic cop. level O Untrained. Relies of nautral abilities. I would put Pippen, Merry, Sam and Frodo here.
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About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. Last edited by afro-elf : 04-20-2003 at 10:07 PM. |
04-20-2003, 11:10 PM | #17 |
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'scuse me?
I'm pretty sure that ol' Aelf meant for you to give what you're grading them in, and then give the numbers. For example, I'll rate the fellowship: As 'Warriors': Frodo-0 Sam-0/1 Merry-2 Pippin-1/2 Gandalf-3 Aragorn-4 Gimli-3 Legolas-3 As 'Wizards' (the use of magic): Frodo-1 Sam-1 Merry-0 Pippin-0 Gandalf-4 Aragorn-2 Gimli-0 Legolas-0 As 'Bards' (writing and recitation of poetry): Frodo-2 Sam-3 Merry-0 Pippin-0 Gandalf-2 Aragorn-3 Gimli-0 Legolas-2 As 'Captains' (ability to lead and/or inspire): Frodo-1 Sam-2 Merry-2 Pippin-2 Gandalf-5 Aragorn-4 Gimli-2 Legolas-2 and so forth.
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04-21-2003, 12:46 AM | #18 |
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Wayferer's perception of my request. Level 6
I just choose warriors as an easy example.
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About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. |
04-21-2003, 04:17 AM | #19 |
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Level 6: Feanor, Fingolfin, Finarfin, Fingon. (Elves) Hurin, Turin, Tuor. (Men) Galadriel
Level 5: Beleg, Turgon, Huan, Thingol, Meadhros, Searos. Men: Barahir, Beren, Huor, Morwen Eledhwen, Luthiel Level 4: Glorifindel, Ecthelion, Mablung, Gil-Galad, Elrond (elves) Romendacil 1 (Men) Level 3: Aragon, Eomer, Dain, Thorin, Ewoyn etc. Level 2: Hobbits (fellowship one's and Gimli) Arwen, Legolas Level 1: Shirrifs.
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04-21-2003, 05:14 AM | #20 |
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In the fellowship, this is my ranking(Warriors):
Frodo-1 Sam- 2\1 Pippin-2 Merry-2 Gandalf-3 Aragorn-5 Legolas-4 Gimli-4 I dont know why people underrank Aragorn but I do think that he is great warrior, he also became a great king of men- so i do believe that he deserves a 5.
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