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04-10-2002, 08:26 AM | #1 |
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So what do we think happened to the brothers of elwing?
So what do we think happened to the brothers of elwing?
It's a simple enough question. When Doriath was finally taken over and elves killed elves AGAIN the sons of feanor killed dior and nimloth and Elured and Elurin were thrown to the forest. But surely elves can survive in a forest, especially ones from the line of beren who was friend to living things.
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04-10-2002, 12:11 PM | #2 |
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The Sil indicates that they were very small children at the time, so they probably were not able to fin for themselves and died of starvation. IMO.
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04-16-2002, 07:22 PM | #3 |
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I would like to believe that they somehow made it. But realistically, I'm inclined to agree that they died; they were just little kids.
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05-07-2002, 09:46 PM | #4 |
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i believe in the book of lost tales 2 it says that they were slew by the Sons of Fëanor
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05-08-2002, 08:24 AM | #5 |
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No, not slain but left to die in the woods and they disappeared.
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05-08-2002, 12:03 PM | #6 |
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maybe they were eaten by rabid hobbits
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05-08-2002, 05:05 PM | #7 |
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Afro-elf, you dog, I was going to do an eaten-by-something joke!
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05-08-2002, 07:55 PM | #8 | |
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05-08-2002, 07:59 PM | #9 | |
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05-08-2002, 08:05 PM | #10 |
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in the book of lost tales 2 elwing has only one brother, whose name was Auredhir
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05-08-2002, 08:09 PM | #11 |
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book of lost tales two page 242 "The Nauglafring".
"..they fell unawares on Dior, and Dior and Auredhir were slain.." they being the sons of fëanor
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08-31-2002, 08:16 AM | #12 |
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Maybe Elwing's brothers survived in the woods, but stayed small due to not taking their vitamins, and thus the Hobbits came into existing.
(hm, nice idea for a fanfic, eh?)
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08-31-2002, 01:30 PM | #13 |
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Also have to remember that the woods that two infants were put into could very well have been swarming with orcs, trolls, Wargs, and other such charismatic creatures of Melkor.
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08-31-2002, 02:46 PM | #14 | |
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08-31-2002, 02:57 PM | #15 |
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I have always stuck to what's in the Sil, that they were left on their own in the forest. Interestingly enough, when push came to shove, the Sons of Feanor repented and went looking for the two lost tots, aged approx. 2-4 years old. [Walking but incapable of caring for themselves.] They were not found, nor any trace of them. it as assumed that some animals had carried them off to a lair, leaving no trace in the open.
How sad...if they had only thought about the consequences of their action before they left them, the kiddies might have lived. it was a great source of woe afterwards. And it marked the brothers ever after as child killers.
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09-01-2002, 02:11 PM | #16 | |
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09-01-2002, 10:03 PM | #17 |
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What is likely is that they died. What is nicer to think is that maybe there was some friendly maia, (such as Olorin) wandering around in disguise as the books say that some of them did and found the two little elflings and took them back to Valinor with him/her. Highly unlikely but you can always hope that that's what happened.
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09-02-2002, 12:10 AM | #18 |
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Well, I seem to recall that, in effect, they were never heard from again. They may as well be dead, as far as the history of Middle Earth is concerned...
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09-20-2002, 01:30 PM | #19 |
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unless the hobbits descended from them...
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09-21-2002, 11:11 PM | #20 |
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Elve are just barely subject to death by privation or exposure, so if they persished in the woods, it would most likely be to some casualty, a beast, a mauradur, being tracked down an murdered by one of the Feanorians after a PR showing of them being shooed off alive.
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