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04-21-2003, 07:52 PM | #1 |
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Words/names used in/similarities between Tolkien's works and old myths/languages
I was thinking of making a list of!
Anybody interested? Here's a few names and similarities I've found in Tolkiens works: 1. Beorn is a synonym for 'man' in Old English 2. Gimli is a place where the dead come in Norse mythology 3. There were 12 powerful Aesir in old Norse mythology (compared to the 12 lords and ladies of the Valar) 4. There's a land where the "fair Elves" live in Norse mythology. More to come, but I don't have time right now, and the book where I draw most of my "facts" from is not at hand right now. Feel free to add names, words or other similarities yourself PS. I've just bought The Monsters and the Critics, but has not gotten very far yet. There's a whole essay written by Tolkien on Beowulf!) PPS. Sorry for the very confusing title! Had some problems forming it...
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04-22-2003, 11:11 PM | #2 |
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I believe I read somewhere that Earendil was a name he found in some obscure text.
Beorn was a character in Beowulf. Gandalf was on a list of Dwarves in an old northern Europe text.
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04-23-2003, 02:11 AM | #3 |
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Errr let's see, there's a lot having to do with Norse mythology. The whole way Valinor is set up. The concept of the Halls of Mandos. You could compare Telperion and Laurelin to Yggdrasill the World Tree. There will be a "Last Battle" (Dagor Dagorlad in ME, Ragnarok in Norse myth)
The language of the Rohirrim is shaped mainly out of early Anglo-Saxon. I know there are more but I'm too tired right now to remember a lot of them.
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"and then this hobbit was walking, and then this elf jumped out of a bush and totally flipped out on him while wailing on his guitar." "Anglorfin was tall and straight; his hair was of shining gold, his face fair and young and fearless and full of anger; his eyes were bright and keen, and his voice like music; on his brow sat wisdom, and in his hand was great skill." |
04-23-2003, 03:33 AM | #4 |
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I'm sure that 'Ent' is old English for giant.
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04-23-2003, 04:16 AM | #5 |
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I'm listening to the special features on the EE Fellowship. Some guy's talking about 'wraith' sounding like wreath and wrath, suggesting that it would be something twisted and in a dangerous bad mood. There was another word he compared to also that suggested association with shape as opposed to substance.
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04-24-2003, 06:07 AM | #6 |
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Carnë in Quenya, meaning 'red' happens to also mean 'meat' in Italian.
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04-26-2003, 03:45 PM | #7 |
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Oh I got a good one, this comes directly from BoLT. Originally Tolkien created Tol Eresse with the intention that it would one day become the island of Great Britain. Much of his early narrative that later became The Silmarillion is framed around the story of a traveler, Eriol, who came from Europe to Tol Eresse during the late Anglo-Saxon period.
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"and then this hobbit was walking, and then this elf jumped out of a bush and totally flipped out on him while wailing on his guitar." "Anglorfin was tall and straight; his hair was of shining gold, his face fair and young and fearless and full of anger; his eyes were bright and keen, and his voice like music; on his brow sat wisdom, and in his hand was great skill." |
04-27-2003, 01:18 AM | #8 | |
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04-29-2003, 02:06 PM | #9 |
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I came across the name Hama (and some dwarfnames but I can't remember them exactly) in the 'Edda'.
The dwarvenrings remind me of the ring Draupnir of Odin. Each night nine (or three I don't remember) identical rings dripped from it. To possess it would mean to become wealthy.
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04-29-2003, 02:27 PM | #10 | |
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1. Can't remember what language but I know Beorn means bear.
2. Letters #297 Quote:
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04-29-2003, 03:33 PM | #11 | |
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04-29-2003, 06:19 PM | #12 |
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Well that poses an interesting puzzle: what the hell was that guy talking about? Anyway I'd never heard the word before so I trusted him. I guess I should have known better than to trust one of PJ's minions.
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04-29-2003, 06:21 PM | #13 | |
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I had many other similarities, but now I can't find that book!
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04-29-2003, 11:22 PM | #14 |
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Being a prof of such things I assume he used his knowledge-certainly the lays and such were based on well lays.
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