08-30-2003, 12:29 AM | #1 | |
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Preview for Return of the King....
Ok this really needs its own thread as well. As most of you know there is a 10-minute preview of Return of the King on the TTT DVD that just came out a couple days ago.
Let's get some dicussions going on about it I watched it again today and I am kind of worried about the whole Eowyn thing. In the preview it appears that she rides with the Rhorrim, along with Merry, as Eowyn and not as Dernhelm. There is a shot of her and Merry on the same horse and it is clearly her and not dressed in armor like Dernhelm. Hopefully that is before they leave for Gondor and not on the trip there. If you look further there is also a shot of Pippin holding Merry as Merry is in obvious pain, that is most likely after the slaying of the Nazgul dude. Gollum should be awesome again, because we are going to get to see his treacherousness once again, and of course SHELOB!!!! If you watch the end of the preview just as it cuts back to PJ there is a shot on the TV they are watching of Frodo trying to cut Shelob's webs at the cave exit I also posted this in the other DVD thread: Ok so I got the TTT DVD yesterday and I've watched the 10-minute preview for Return of the King. I want to comment on one thing, my favorite part of RotK, which is the Paths of the Dead. I will spare those of you who haven't seen it yet with the spoiler code
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08-30-2003, 10:56 AM | #2 |
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I noticed that about the paths of the dead too. It's true that I am also looking foward to Shelob but, I am most looking foward to the Battle of the Pelinor Feilds since I've been told that it is especially spectacular.
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08-30-2003, 01:58 PM | #3 |
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As for the Paths Of The Dead it would not make sence from the way Aragorn has been protyed in these films for a load of trusty kinsmen to turn up and he be there acknoledge leader would it now? Its a shame i know but it just wouldnt make sence for them to be there
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08-30-2003, 02:05 PM | #4 | |
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I think it would, because they have talked about "Rangers" a lot in the movies and now we would get a chance to see them
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08-30-2003, 05:52 PM | #5 |
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I really want to see Shelob's tunnel. It looks so amazing! Too bad we couldn't fully see Shelob, though. I'm also looking forward to Pelennor Fields and the Paths of the Dead. I hope Eowyn slays the Witch King, because I saw her riding as herself and I couldn't tell whether it was to or from the fight. It'll suck if they have Arwen come and kill the Witch King and go all kissy-kissy on Aragorn. Anyway, Return of the King looks really cool. I can't wait until December rolls around.
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08-30-2003, 11:57 PM | #6 |
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i heard (sources not listed*hehe*) that Arwen is going to show up in the battle of Pellenor Fields fully armored and ready to "save the day" if i will. HOW STUPID IS THAT??? she was practically an unimportant charictar in the book compared to the characters they cut to make room for her. it makes the movie more movieish if they just have her instead of having to explain glorfindel and the history of the "shield maidens of rohan" and the profecy of "not by the hand of man shall the witch king fall" or su'in like that (im not positive about the profecy so excuse my errors). n e way, ur not alone in ur feelings!!
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08-31-2003, 01:32 PM | #7 |
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I hope the Battle of the Pelennor shows the Easterlings and Southrons fighting as their own units, and mot intermingled with Orcs... I had wished there would have beem more differences shown between the Easterlings and Southrons, but that is ok... The size of the Oli's sure are demonstrated in that cut on the TT DVD!
On the Paths, it pretty much has to be the three of the Fellowship, since there is no 'Dúnedain of the North' or any mention of Arnor in the movie. The 'Rangers', when not mentioned as Aragorn, refer to Faramir's command in Ithilien, also a bunch of cool dudes!
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09-02-2003, 06:37 PM | #8 |
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About Arwen: She's supposed to be going on a ship to Valinor (in the movies). In the books, she makes a banner for Aragorn's ships. Perhaps she will come to the Fields with the Elven ship instead of Aragorn.
I'm worried about Dernhelm, too. I will be so bummed out if he/she is not in ROTK. He/she was one of my favorite characters, and if the get rid of him/her, then there won't be the fantastic line: "No living man am I!"
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09-02-2003, 07:22 PM | #9 |
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They won't get rid of Dernhelm, PJ wouldn't go that far...I hope...
I have heard as well that Pellenor fields is supposed to be amazing, but what I'm really looking forward to are the scenes in Shelob's lair and when Pippin looks into the palantir. I can't wait to see what Shelob is going to look like.
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09-03-2003, 12:28 AM | #10 |
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Because of all the friends I've been managing to drag into my house because of school's start, I've seen the preview like five-six times now, and I still can't get enough of it. It looks simply amazing. I just really hope that when Aragorn says, "He has gone unchallenged long enough," it doesn't mean that he's going to duel with Sauron. I remember hearing that it would happen, I think from theonering.net, and that would be such a pity. Also, I really hope Arwen doesn't have a large part. She's just too unimportant in the books. Pellinore Fields looks simply incredible. I cannot wait.
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09-03-2003, 09:29 AM | #11 |
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That challenge probably refers to Aragorn looking into the Palantir, and there's a similar scene in the book (although I think it's only mentioned in hindsight by Gandalf).
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09-03-2003, 02:24 PM | #12 |
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Watching the preview I noticed that all the scenes with the battle had sunshine, is there going to be no Dawnless Day? Nothing in the preview gave me any hint of the great black cloud that covered the land. Maybe I missed it or maybe it just wasn't in any of the scenes that they showed.
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09-03-2003, 07:03 PM | #13 |
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Oh, good point! I hope they don't leave the Dawnless Day out!
I was really hoping for something from the Grey Havens, but oh well.
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09-07-2003, 03:28 PM | #14 |
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Here's something that really caught my attention in the ROTK preview.
They're making it much more overt that when Pippin looks into the palantir, Sauron thinks he may the Ringbearer, who plans to deliver the power of the Ring to Aragorn. This makes sense - it's implicit in the book, and I love how they're making this explicit here as the trigger that gets Sauron to attack Minas Tirith prematurely. Seeing how Pippin develops from film to film to film is something I'm really looking forward to when I finally see all three back-to-back. However - here's a bit of an issue. In the end of TTT, when Frodo encounters the Nazgul, I thought of it as the moment where Sauron now knows where the Ring is - and thinks it's heading across the river to Minas Tirith from the eastern direction. Possible contradiction? How can he think that Frodo and Pippin are Ringbearers at the same time?
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The reason I feel strongly that Mordor didn't know about the ring in Osgiliath is because that scene was created by Jackson to capture the essence of Tolkien's scene in the book when the Witchking and his troops left Minas Morgul and sensed a presence in the valley at the bridge. The Witchking eventually moved on without realizing Frodo was there - and I believe that Jackson was basically saying the same thing about Frodo and the Witchking's "meeting" in Osgiliath. |
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09-07-2003, 07:26 PM | #16 |
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You are a dunce, Black Breathalizer.
There is a world of difference between a scene where the nazgul vaguely senses the ring from maybe a quarter mile off, and a scene where that same nazgul doesn't notice it when it's right under his nose. It's pathetic.
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09-07-2003, 07:45 PM | #17 |
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Nuh-uh.
The encounter between Frodo and the Nazgul seems to be established in the film as a pretty clear provocation for Sauron's assault on Gondor. That said, it could be that when Pippin takes the palantir, Sauron doesn't really have a durn idea where he is - but that is highly doubtful. You'd think he'd be able to tell which palantir is Isengard's and which is Minas Tirith's. In any case, this issue is one that will have to be addressed. We'll know in three months.
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09-07-2003, 10:43 PM | #18 |
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Hmmm, wasn't the fell beast in Osgiliath wounded by Faramir? So . . assuming that the Nazgul saw Frodo with the Ring, just how long would it take the Nazgul to report back to Sauron, if it's fell beast is wounded or dead?
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09-08-2003, 02:03 PM | #19 |
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It's possible we'll get some clarification about that in the EE, but I guess Sauron can't tell one hobbit from another, so thinks they're one and the same. The only problem with that is, as I said in another thread and someone said above, how could he have gotten from Osgiliath all the way to Isengard that quickly? Perhaps Pippin will look into the palantir in Gondor. Like IP said, we'll just have to wait a few months to find out for sure!
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09-09-2003, 03:26 PM | #20 |
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i hope he doesn't screw it up!
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