Aragorns Ring?

Erewe · 08-12-2001, 11:10 PM

Maybe I'm just flaunting my ignorance to Tolkien (after all, I'm only on my second reading of LOTR and first of Sil), but I ran across this:

http://www.funtocollect.com/lorofrinrino.html

"The Ring of Barahir, Aragorns Ring"

Aragorn had a Ring?

--Erewë

***Ben*** · 08-12-2001, 11:16 PM

Yes, I believe it was one of the artifacts passed down to him from Elendil and Isildur.

adanedhel · 08-13-2001, 01:09 AM

It was none other than the ring that Beren recovered (along with the hand that wore it) from the orcs that slew his father Barahir and his company in Dorthonion. I read somewhere that it was the only heirloom of the Royal House of Numenor to survive the downfall, as it was passed to the House of Andunie (and thus to Elendil in the end).

webwizard333 · 08-13-2001, 09:52 AM

Intersting, when I first read the title of the post I thought it meant a ring of power. Drat, no laughing smileys

Darth Tater · 08-13-2001, 11:17 AM

I thought the ice men got that ring!?

adanedhel · 08-13-2001, 12:36 PM

True, Arvedui, the last king of Arnor, gave it to the ice men before he died in a ship wreck. The Dunedain ransomed it later.

The palantiri of Annuminas and Amon Sul were lost with him though.

Ñólendil · 08-13-2001, 06:18 PM

webwizard, you are right though, that page seems to say that The Ring of Barahir is one of the Rings of Power, which is entirely bogus.

Darth Tater · 08-13-2001, 09:28 PM

I'm confused, in one part of the appendix Tolkien says the ice men have it, and then all of a sudden Aragorn has it? When did the change occur?

adanedhel · 08-14-2001, 01:02 AM

I don't know, it seems kind of a thrown together solution to the problem of how Aragorn got it but I read it in a footnote of appendix A of LOTR.

Appendix A reads "But Arvedui did not take his counsel. He thanked him, and at parting gave him his ring saying: 'This is a thing of worth beyond your reckoning. For its ancientry alone. It has no power, save the esteem in which those hold it who love my house. It will not help you, but if ever you are in need, my kin will ransom it with great store of all you desire.' " The "his" in the above being Lossoth, chief of the Snowmen.

The footnote states: "In this way was the ring of the House of Isuldur saved; for it was afterwards ransomed by the Dunedain. It is said that it was none other than the ring which Felagund of Nargothrond gave to Barahir, and Beren recovered at great peril."

Ñólendil · 08-14-2001, 04:06 PM

Lossoth='Snowmen (Snow-people)'

adanedhel · 08-15-2001, 12:15 AM

Right, I meant to write; chief of the Lossoth (snowmen)

Lady-Ithilien · 08-20-2001, 06:01 PM

I believe that in the Appendix A says that he gave such ring to Arwen.
I don´t know if this is right though...

Theodred · 08-20-2001, 07:07 PM

Yes, I think it said it somewhere in Appedix A part I section (v), which talks about Aragorn and Arwen!

Ñólendil · 08-20-2001, 09:43 PM

Yes, that's right. Some time in the Third Age the Lossoth received a whole heap of stash for the Ring of Barahir, Elrond got possession of it somehow (it probably came to him through the Rangers), he gave it to Aragorn at the same time he revealed to him his right name, and Aragorn gave it to Arwen.

adanedhel · 08-21-2001, 01:12 AM

Right. All of the sons of the Chieftans of the Dunedain, starting with Arahael the heir of the first Chieftan (Aranarth), were raised in Rivendell. Elrond also kept the heirlooms of the North-kingdom. The ring of Barahir, the sword-that-was-broken (Narsil), and the sceptre of Annuminas.

Elrond raised Aragorn as his son (Estel). When Aragorn was twenty years old, Elrond told him of his lineage and gave him the ring of Barahir and the shards of Narsil but said "The Sceptre of Annuminas I withold, for you have yet to earn it."

Agburanar · 10-10-2001, 09:25 AM

wow. you know your stuff. So does he get the sceptre now? That three (ring goes to Arwen, Aragorn gets elf stone as well) powerful items!

Comic Book Guy · 10-10-2001, 01:26 PM

Its amazing what small details they have to make a bit of extra money.

arynetrek · 10-10-2001, 08:27 PM

^ i agree. the merchandising for this movie is getting shamefully ridiculois.

i think Elrond gives the Sceptre to Aragorn at his coronation, but i'm not sure.

aryne *

Kirinki54 · 10-11-2001, 11:01 AM

A comment:

It is rather funny that the Ring is called Barahir´s Ring, and not Finrod´s Ring. I mean OK Barahir was the first Edain to obtain it, but as for naming a heritage Finrod´s name would certainly give greater splendour. For all we know it might even have been wrought in Valinor (or?).

Ñólendil · 10-12-2001, 12:25 AM

I imagine it was, bearing the badge of Finarfin's House and all.

Leave it to Human Beings to take credit for everything. It probably should have been called the Ring of Finrod, you're right.

08-12-2001, 11:10 PM	#1
Erewe Enting Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 60	Aragorns Ring? Maybe I'm just flaunting my ignorance to Tolkien (after all, I'm only on my second reading of LOTR and first of Sil), but I ran across this: http://www.funtocollect.com/lorofrinrino.html "The Ring of Barahir, Aragorns Ring" Aragorn had a Ring? --Erewë __________________ "Waaaaiiiit, I haven't read Tolkien in over a week!" --Tom Servo "Hey! Look! There he goes! Oh, it's just a crumby Balrog" --Crow T Robot "I'll just see if Bombadil has a place to crash" --Pearl Forrester "Put a sock in it, Legolas" --Mike Nelson "Hey Gollum. Whats up man?" --Tom Servo

08-12-2001, 11:16 PM	#2
*Ben* Retired Ent Join Date: Sep 1999 Posts: 60,631	Yes, I believe it was one of the artifacts passed down to him from Elendil and Isildur. __________________ ---Ben formerly known in the forums as bmilder Owner of The Tolkien Trail and Entmoot. Buy Entmoot shirts and mugs!

08-13-2001, 01:09 AM	#3
adanedhel Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Chigago, IL Posts: 40	re: Aragorn's Ring It was none other than the ring that Beren recovered (along with the hand that wore it) from the orcs that slew his father Barahir and his company in Dorthonion. I read somewhere that it was the only heirloom of the Royal House of Numenor to survive the downfall, as it was passed to the House of Andunie (and thus to Elendil in the end). __________________ "Say this to Manwe Sulimo, High King of Arda: if Feanor cannot overthrow Morgoth, at least he delays not to assail him, and sits not idle in grief. And it may be that Eru has set in me a fire greater than thou knowest." Feanor

08-13-2001, 11:17 AM	#5
Darth Tater The man Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: MA Posts: 4,572	I thought the ice men got that ring!? __________________ Visit the worlds greatest webpage! No, not The Tolkien Trail! Just click this! The Tolkien Trail ~Camelot

08-13-2001, 12:36 PM	#6
adanedhel Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Chigago, IL Posts: 40	True, Arvedui, the last king of Arnor, gave it to the ice men before he died in a ship wreck. The Dunedain ransomed it later. The palantiri of Annuminas and Amon Sul were lost with him though. __________________ "Say this to Manwe Sulimo, High King of Arda: if Feanor cannot overthrow Morgoth, at least he delays not to assail him, and sits not idle in grief. And it may be that Eru has set in me a fire greater than thou knowest." Feanor

08-13-2001, 09:52 AM	#4
webwizard333 Elf Lord Join Date: May 2001 Location: myob Posts: 587	Intersting, when I first read the title of the post I thought it meant a ring of power. Drat, no laughing smileys

08-13-2001, 06:18 PM	#7
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Ring of Barahir webwizard, you are right though, that page seems to say that The Ring of Barahir is one of the Rings of Power, which is entirely bogus.

08-13-2001, 09:28 PM	#8
Darth Tater The man Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: MA Posts: 4,572	I'm confused, in one part of the appendix Tolkien says the ice men have it, and then all of a sudden Aragorn has it? When did the change occur? __________________ Visit the worlds greatest webpage! No, not The Tolkien Trail! Just click this! The Tolkien Trail ~Camelot

08-14-2001, 01:02 AM	#9
adanedhel Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Chigago, IL Posts: 40	I don't know, it seems kind of a thrown together solution to the problem of how Aragorn got it but I read it in a footnote of appendix A of LOTR. Appendix A reads "But Arvedui did not take his counsel. He thanked him, and at parting gave him his ring saying: 'This is a thing of worth beyond your reckoning. For its ancientry alone. It has no power, save the esteem in which those hold it who love my house. It will not help you, but if ever you are in need, my kin will ransom it with great store of all you desire.' " The "his" in the above being Lossoth, chief of the Snowmen. The footnote states: "In this way was the ring of the House of Isuldur saved; for it was afterwards ransomed by the Dunedain. It is said that it was none other than the ring which Felagund of Nargothrond gave to Barahir, and Beren recovered at great peril." __________________ "Say this to Manwe Sulimo, High King of Arda: if Feanor cannot overthrow Morgoth, at least he delays not to assail him, and sits not idle in grief. And it may be that Eru has set in me a fire greater than thou knowest." Feanor

08-14-2001, 04:06 PM	#10
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Lossoth='Snowmen (Snow-people)' __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

08-15-2001, 12:15 AM	#11
adanedhel Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Chigago, IL Posts: 40	Right, I meant to write; chief of the Lossoth (snowmen) __________________ "Say this to Manwe Sulimo, High King of Arda: if Feanor cannot overthrow Morgoth, at least he delays not to assail him, and sits not idle in grief. And it may be that Eru has set in me a fire greater than thou knowest." Feanor

08-20-2001, 06:01 PM	#12
Lady-Ithilien Sapling Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Argentina Posts: 4	I believe that in the Appendix A says that he gave such ring to Arwen. I don´t know if this is right though...

08-20-2001, 07:07 PM	#13
Theodred Sapling Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Boston, Massachusetts U.S.A. Posts: 6	Yes, I think it said it somewhere in Appedix A part I section (v), which talks about Aragorn and Arwen! __________________ Theodred son of Theoden, Prince of Rohan!

08-20-2001, 09:43 PM	#14
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Yes, that's right. Some time in the Third Age the Lossoth received a whole heap of stash for the Ring of Barahir, Elrond got possession of it somehow (it probably came to him through the Rangers), he gave it to Aragorn at the same time he revealed to him his right name, and Aragorn gave it to Arwen. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

08-21-2001, 01:12 AM	#15
adanedhel Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Chigago, IL Posts: 40	Right. All of the sons of the Chieftans of the Dunedain, starting with Arahael the heir of the first Chieftan (Aranarth), were raised in Rivendell. Elrond also kept the heirlooms of the North-kingdom. The ring of Barahir, the sword-that-was-broken (Narsil), and the sceptre of Annuminas. Elrond raised Aragorn as his son (Estel). When Aragorn was twenty years old, Elrond told him of his lineage and gave him the ring of Barahir and the shards of Narsil but said "The Sceptre of Annuminas I withold, for you have yet to earn it." __________________ "Say this to Manwe Sulimo, High King of Arda: if Feanor cannot overthrow Morgoth, at least he delays not to assail him, and sits not idle in grief. And it may be that Eru has set in me a fire greater than thou knowest." Feanor

10-10-2001, 09:25 AM	#16
Agburanar Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dorset Posts: 608	wow. you know your stuff. So does he get the sceptre now? That three (ring goes to Arwen, Aragorn gets elf stone as well) powerful items!

10-10-2001, 01:26 PM	#17
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	Its amazing what small details they have to make a bit of extra money.

10-10-2001, 08:27 PM	#18
arynetrek Elf Lord Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 610	^ i agree. the merchandising for this movie is getting shamefully ridiculois. i think Elrond gives the Sceptre to Aragorn at his coronation, but i'm not sure. aryne *

10-11-2001, 11:01 AM	#19
Kirinki54 Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: European Union Posts: 463	Finrod´s Ring! A comment: It is rather funny that the Ring is called Barahir´s Ring, and not Finrod´s Ring. I mean OK Barahir was the first Edain to obtain it, but as for naming a heritage Finrod´s name would certainly give greater splendour. For all we know it might even have been wrought in Valinor (or?).

10-12-2001, 12:25 AM	#20
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	I imagine it was, bearing the badge of Finarfin's House and all. Leave it to Human Beings to take credit for everything. It probably should have been called the Ring of Finrod, you're right. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

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