Chicken? or the egg??!!

[Blackboar]

Well!
What do you think came first!!

[Blackboar]

Well?

I think the chicken came first!

[Falagar]

The chicken, but not as we know it. Imagine a cross between a chicken and a dinosaur, and you got it!

[Wayfarer]

Yeah, falagar.

The first chicken magically turned frayed scales into feathers. They somehow managed to remove teeth from their genetic code. They upgraded from the reptilian lung to the avian lung.

I am truly overwhelmed by the evidence that supports your statement.

Well blackboar, I think the chicken came first. Otherwise, who hatched the first egg?

[gimli-son-of-gloin13]

the egg cam first because it could have...fallen out of the sky.......then... then it went under leaves... keping it warm.....Yeah! o i give up the chicken came first

[frodosgirlfriend]

chicken, defenitly.

[Elven Archer]

the chicken came first cause something would have to lay the egg so you couldn't have an egg without a chicken.

this was in Reader's Digest. this lady was in a resturant and she ordered an omlett and a chicken sandwich(or some thing that was chicken and some thing that was egg) and she said to her friend, "I can't wait to see which comes first"

[Shadowfax]

Chicken.

It did not say in the beginning God created eggs, and they hatched.

[Elven Archer]

Genesis 2:20-22

[afro-elf]

Originally posted by Wayfarer
Yeah, falagar.

The first chicken magically turned frayed scales into feathers. They somehow managed to remove teeth from their genetic code. They upgraded from the reptilian lung to the avian lung.

I am truly overwhelmed by the evidence that supports your statement.

Well blackboar, I think the chicken came first. Otherwise, who hatched the first egg?

Washington, D.C. (May 23, 1997)- A new dinosaur discovery in Patagonia appears to be the long-sought missing link between dinosaurs and the proto-feathered Archaeopteryx.
A group of researchers from Argentina found a a small theropod from the Cretaceous period with a number of bird-like characteristics. The anatomical features the creature, dubbed Unenlagia (indian dialect for "half-bird") may begin to enter one of the great lingering questions in paleontology, how wings evolved from forelimbs. The animal held its forelimbs much like a bird holds its wings, furling them so that the humerus lay close to the body, and the limb as a whole was capable of the 'upstroke' needed for flapping flight.

Although the two-meter long Unenlagia was probably flightless, the researchers note that the structure of the all of the anatomical requirements for powered, flapping flight were present in the animal. Moreover, several features, including the shape of the pelvis and scapula resemble the morphology seen in Archaeopteryx.

"Unenlagia may therefore be the closest thing we have to an intermediate between dinosaurs and Archaeopteryx," the researchers note.

It is unlikely that Unenlagia flew, owing to its large size and relatively small forelimbs. The anatomy of the newly discovered animal suggests that there may have been an evolution from a flapping stage to a flying stage. It is unknown whether the animal had feathers.

Archaeopteryx lithographica, the well-known feathered dinosaur, was discovered only two years after Darwin published his "Origin of the Species". Scientists have been arguing ever since about the evolutionary transition between reptiles and birds. The growing consensus has been that birds were morphologically closest to theropods such as Deinonychus and Veolciraptor.

Unenlagia has characteristics of both birds and dinosaurs, and it may help to explain the functional transition from reptiles to birds. The new findings will refine the ongoing argument as to the origin of birds, or where the dividing line is between dinosaurs and birds, comments Lawrence Witmer, department of biological sciences, Ohio University, adding:

"Regardless of the final interpretation of the functional transition, Unenlagia is a critical testament of the phylogenetic transition, and it is only after the phylogenetic players are better known that the drama of the adaptive story will be truly comprehensible."

[afro-elf]

A chicken is just an egg's way of making another egg

[Erawyn]

The egg. The thing that laid the egg wasn't quite a chicken, and the thing that came out of the egg was...I don't know if that makes sense.

[Coney]

The egg came first. Fish were laying eggs for millenia before one of them decided to hit the sand to work on his tan..........his kids eventually evolved into the chicken

[cassiopeia]

Well, if you go back billions of years, random molecules came together to form what we would call life. Sex came later, so the chicken came first.

[Coney]

Originally posted by cassiopeia
Well, if you go back billions of years, random molecules came together to form what we would call life. Sex came later, so the chicken came first.

Ah but life on earth was created from the chemical reactions that occured after a time traveller accidently dropped an egg & cress sandwich into the sea, so the egg was first........



Oops, hang on a minute.....



That's from a Terry Pratchett book......looks like the chicken wins

*goes on a quest to find his missing Prozac*

[afro-elf]

Originally posted by cassiopeia
Well, if you go back billions of years, random molecules came together to form what we would call life. Sex came later, so the chicken came first.

birds evolved from reps

the rep egg preceeded the bird

[cassiopeia]

Originally posted by afro-elf
birds evolved from reps

the rep egg preceeded the bird

I was thinking generally, not an egg that (say) chickens lay, but of a egg which combines with sperm to create life. But if you are specifically talking about chickens, then I agree.

[afro-elf]

gotcha

[Wayfarer]

Afro elf.

Anyone can make a claim without evidence. And quoting an article which begins with the assumption of truth isn't the best way to make a case.

A new dinosaur discovery in Patagonia appears to be the long-sought missing link between dinosaurs and the proto-feathered Archaeopteryx.

Notice that your article does not say "A new discovery has scientists thinking that there might be a link betwen dinosaurs and birds". It says the discovery might be "The long sought missing link" between dinosaurs and birds.

I wonder if you were aware exactly what 'long sought' means? It means that your wonderful, knowledgeable, objective scientists have convinced themselves that birds evolved from dinosaurs, and are searching high and low for evidence to substantiate that claim.

I wonder if you're also familiar with the steady stream of 'missing links' that have been examined and shown not to be links after all? Do you realize the number of fossils that have been loudly proclaimed to be 'missing links' and then quietly hidden away when it was shown that they weren't?

Notwithstanding is the continued failure to explain the features that I pointed out earlier.

But we're off topic.

Oh, and shadofax?

*/STAFFBAPS!

Pipe down, will you? Your capslock key is giving me a headache.

[afro-elf]

Anyone can make a claim without evidence. And quoting an article which begins with the assumption of truth isn't the best way to make a case.

Evidence for evolution has been provided by paleontology, comparative anatomy, biogeography, embryology, biochemistry, moleculargenetics, and other biological disciplines

I wonder if you were aware exactly what 'long sought' means? It means that your wonderful, knowledgeable, objective scientists have convinced themselves that birds evolved from dinosaurs, and are searching high and low for evidence to substantiate that claim

see above

I wonder if you're also familiar with the steady stream of 'missing links' that have been examined and shown not to be links after all? Do you realize the number of fossils that have been loudly proclaimed to be 'missing links' and then quietly hidden away when it was shown that they weren't?

Here you what transitional fossils here you go:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html


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