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Evidence for Evolution
Since I am not allowed to post in the "Evidence for Creationism and against Evolution" thread and because the subject matter was recently restricted - I figured we needed a thread that talked about evolution and why creationism is junk science.
SquintyEyedSouthern had posted something that was very good I thought on the Creationism only thread... Quote:
I want to hear from people why they support evolution and disagree with creationism.
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03-09-2005, 08:56 PM | #2 |
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I cite the "red queen" effect, or "evolutionary arms race"
In 'alice in wondrland', the red queen tells alice that to stay where she is, she must run as fast a she can, this is where the name for the theory comes from Giraffes and Acacias Acacias were once a low growing shrub fed upon by the ancestors of giraffes eventually, the acacias with particularly sharp thorns were not eaten, thos that had smaller thorns got eaten, resulting in all acacias having spiky thorns. those giraffes with extremely long tongues were the only ones that managed to get to the succelent leaves, and survive. only those acacias with longer trunks would survive the giraffe attacks, then only those giraffes with longer necks manage to reach the succelent leaves on top of the trees, thus we arrive at the stage we have now - tall, spiky acacias, and giraffes with long necks and long tongues. |
03-09-2005, 09:02 PM | #3 | |
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LCoU - in response to your post I wanted to post my example of how evolution from one species to another works, which I posted back in 2002.
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03-09-2005, 09:06 PM | #4 |
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next case study:
archosaurs - dinosauria - archaeopteryx/avimimus/syntarsis - birds |
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Here is bird fossil sequences... Quote:
Dinosauricon Sinosauropteryx
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or at least completely untrue as far as I have seen. I saw FM ask you to stop repeating your question, that's all. Did he ask you to stop posting in the thread? I didn't see that. Quote:
Interesting that you chose giraffes, Chrys, because just for a note of history, when Darwin wrote "The Origin of Species", he believed in pangenes (that use and disuse of features will pass on to the next generation). In chapter 5, "Laws of Variation", he states his belief in pangenes and I believe mentions a giraffe somewhere. Of course, pangenes were later proved false, and evolutionists didn't discard their theory; they chose another mechanism, which is referred to as beneficial mutations. Good example of modifying the mechanism while adhering to the original idea - perfectly good thing to do. Another interesting part of the theory of evolution is that species will sometimes vary enough so that they can't breed anymore - very interesting and completely observeable!
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[edit]Hey Jonathan you can take me off ignore now. (that is if you even see this. )[/edit]
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lets think about primates for a minute homo erectus - Mr. "hey i can walk upright!" homo habilis, great maker of tools Homo Sapiens S. - Us guys Gorilla - simple tools chimpanzee - great maker of tools, goes to war, simple communication bonobo - maker of complex tools, more advanced communication it is also interesting to note that bonobos, or pygmy chimpanzees (our nearest relatives), are almost exclusively bisexual, and operate in tribes, based on hereditary family hierachy |
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[Edit]Which is the following... This thread is ONLY to discuss SCIENTIFIC evidence on WHY evolution is supported and the SCIENTIFIC evidence on why creationism is not. It is not to talk about religion or to talk about supporting creationism or knocking on evolution. [/edit]
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Oh, I see - thanks I misunderstood.
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Wow, is this wot the 'moot has become?
A place where the last few regular posters can't even discuss Creationism v's evolution without splitting off and creating duplicate threads (with the handy dandy option of the thread creator being "in control" of the discussion ) because they feel they can't get their points appreciated on existing threads ....... so sad big news folks....there is no definitive proof that evolution or creationism is the 100% certifiable answer to how/why life developed on this planet......if you do find something, let the press know, yer'll be rich beyond yer wildest dreams I wonder why you felt that one of the longest running threads (which always had a friendly feel, and the occasional interesting post) needed to be turned into yet another bitter angry "debate" I remember when this place had an actual feel of being a community.....yer all seem to be barely civil to each other these days...but if that's the kinda atmosphere ya enjoy, more power to ya |
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