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Old 04-24-2003, 08:31 AM   #1
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Dwarven eye sight

Did have good eye sight in the dark.

I have a vague memory of Gimli not seeing too well in Moria.
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Old 04-24-2003, 08:47 AM   #2
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Like I said, ANOTHER thread? About Dwarves?

Hmm. I can't remember that. But anyway, I think they would have good eyesight (but bad senses of smell, eh Coney? , because they work predominantly in the dark caves. (Or were they all well lit? I don't think so) If Gimli had poor eyesight, perhaps he was an exception.

Ok, checking now. These quotes aren't really related to eyesight as such, but:
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Behind him came Gimli, his eyes glinting in the dim light as he turned his head from side to side.
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Gimli aided him very little, except by his stout courage. At least he was not, as were most of the others, troubled by the mere darkness in itself.
But this was not saying it was Gimli's (poor?) eyesight that made him not very helpful, but that he did not know exactly where to go.
Is this where you got confused, AE? (I'm too lazy to look up more)

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Old 04-24-2003, 05:01 PM   #3
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They certainly couldn't see very far. Gimli easily dismisses a flock of Crebain for a dark rain cloud. As for seeing in the dark I am sure they are exceptional at it, but I assume all Dwarves must also be fairly near-sighted. After all they work skillfully with their hands a lot and would need to get in close to inspect their own craft. After doing that for any amount of time under little light I am sure their eyesight is not that good.
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Old 04-24-2003, 06:55 PM   #4
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Like I said, ANOTHER thread? About Dwarves?

Hmm. I can't remember that. But anyway, I think they would have good eyesight (but bad senses of smell, eh Coney? , because they work predominantly in the dark caves. (Or were they all well lit? I don't think so) If Gimli had poor eyesight, perhaps he was an exception.

Ok, checking now. These quotes aren't really related to eyesight as such, but:


But this was not saying it was Gimli's (poor?) eyesight that made him not very helpful, but that he did not know exactly where to go.
Is this where you got confused, AE? (I'm too lazy to look up more)
Hmmmm... I wish I could quote your quotes, if you know what I mean.

This is a lot of dwarf threads AE. Oh well.

Lin, I think those passages you quoted were from when they were taking the Paths of the Dead. They were refering to Gimli not being afraid of the dark itself, but not becaus he had good eyesight. He was used to the dark but still could not see very well in it. He was afraid of the ghosts.
And I would imagine that any dwarf would have a hard time seeing through their piles of hair. They might have tunnel vision.
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Old 04-24-2003, 07:02 PM   #5
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Old 04-24-2003, 07:13 PM   #6
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Yeah, I think that's a real term at least. Like when you're wearing a hood and you can't see left or right or up or down, but only in front of you, like your in a tunnel.

EDIT: Oh. Or maybe you mean somethign else? No pun intended.
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Old 04-24-2003, 07:14 PM   #7
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But dwarves are in tunnels most of the time.
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Is this where you got confused, AE? (I'm too lazy to look up more)
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Lin, I think those passages you quoted were from when they were taking the Paths of the Dead
I think that quote is from Moria.
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'Dern Helm"

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Old 04-24-2003, 07:41 PM   #9
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I got some answers from some others at xenite.

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I did a good long look at the section and came across this one line: "They now went on again. Before long Gimli spoke. He had keen eyes in the dark." [emphasis added]
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I also believe that the eyesight of the dwarves was mentioned in The Hobbit
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Old 04-24-2003, 07:57 PM   #10
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This is a lot of dwarf threads AE. Oh well.
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Like I said, ANOTHER thread? About Dwarves?
I was a Elf lover forever and I like Humans also like a lot, too.

I also used to like to role-play and some of the guys here in Japan wanna game. I have not game mastered before and I wanted an NPC that I could play and enjoy for myself, yet not have to much myself in that character. Also, I am the one with the most ME knowledge.

If I played a human, too much of me would come through. I have not gamed in awhile and need time to find my grove before I would play an Elf.

I 'm just not a into Hobbits, so Dwarves are the creature of choice now
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She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight.

'Dern Helm"

Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

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Cool.

*Three cheers for Aelf!*
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I was a Elf lover forever
Awww, shucks. *embarrassed*

What is NPC?

Yes, you have much knowledge of Middle Earth, Baranedhel (sp?). But I am sure that playing a human would be fun as well (but it would be a stretch for me, as they are so strange and unpredictable sometimes).
Of Dwarves (Naugrim), it is said in The Sil:
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Aule made the Dwarves strong to endure. Therefore they are stone-hard, stubborn, fast in friendship and in enmity, and they suffer toil and hunger and hurt of body more hardily than all other speaking peoples; and they live long, far beyond the span of Men, yet not for ever.
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Old 04-25-2003, 12:00 AM   #13
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What is NPC?
Non Player Character. Characters that the game master control.

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playing a human would be fun as well
That is part of the problem. If I played a human I would just want to be me in ME. It would be fun as a PC ( Player Character) but as my personal NPC I feel it would be a detriment to the game.


I think I will use the quote you posted for awhile.
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Old 04-26-2003, 05:34 AM   #14
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I think that quote is from Moria.
Correct. Both quotes from Moria.
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