09-29-2001, 11:16 PM | #1 |
Sapling
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Edison
Posts: 5
|
What is Gollum?
yallo. ppl.
I'm new to the forum.. hehehe.. but anyway.. who is Gollum. I am only on the second book (two towers) and in the part where Gollum has skitsiphrenia or something. (excuse my spelling. hehehe). Then there is Sam, who doesn't trust him, overhearing a conversation between gollum and himself?!?! Who is seogul.. or whatever. please clear it up for me. jameziwon. newbie to forum. nice job benni.. heheh |
09-29-2001, 11:26 PM | #2 |
The man
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: MA
Posts: 4,572
|
Gollum is, or I should probably say was, a hobbit, or at least close to that. If you haven't already read the story of his origins, you will soon. BTW, welcome to the board!
|
09-29-2001, 11:58 PM | #3 |
Sapling
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Edison
Posts: 5
|
hehe.. thanks. I feel welcome.. really.. not being sarcastic.
anyway. about his origins, i read before somewhere, maybe in The Fellowship of the Ring that he was the one who found the ring in a pond or something, and killed his friend for it?? i am not sure if my memory serves me correctly. is that what you are talking about when you say i will read about it soon. or is there more information to be read in the leter half of the Two Towers . Sorry if i sound stoopid.. hehehehe. i just started reading this stuff cause of bmilder. we go to the same school. jameziwon. |
09-30-2001, 09:37 AM | #4 |
The man
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: MA
Posts: 4,572
|
I haven't read LOTR in a couple months (gasp!) so I forgot where the story of Smeagol and Deagol fell. Yeah, that story if the birthday present that Gandalf tells Frodo is basically the best insight there is into Gollum's original character before he was corrupted by the ring.
|
09-30-2001, 09:44 AM | #5 |
Best Ex-Administrator ever
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Ireland
Posts: 60,547
|
Gollum, or Sméagol is in his roots a hobbit, akin to the great Stoors, hence his height. He used to live with his large and rich family near the Gladden fields, he was a very strange hobbit, he used to swim in deep pools, tunnel under trees and flowers and his head and eyes were always downward.
One day he and his friend(or Cousion) went fishing on his birthday, his friend found the one ring. Smeagol almost instantly wanted the ring, so he murdered his friend and hid his remains. Smeagol soon used the ring for his own cunning plans, such as spying on people and finding out secrets. He soon became unpopular between people and he hated them for it, he started talking to himself and making a swallowing noise in his throat, gollum, hence his nickname. He eventually fled to the misty mountains and over the years he became slimy and started losing his hobbit characteristics, such as hair. Eventually Bilbo Baggins came across him on his travels and won his 'Birthday Present' from him. After Bilbo left he went on a search to avenge him, and sooner or later he was captured by Saurons forces and they tortured every last bit of information out of him, including the name 'Baggins' and 'The Shire'. Eventually Sauron let Gollum go to go and look for Baggins. I have a question of my own, did Gollum actually know if he was a hobbit himself? |
09-30-2001, 07:03 PM | #6 |
Fowl Administrator
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Calgary or Edmonton, Canada
Posts: 53,420
|
"He is"
No wait, that's Bombadil.
__________________
All of IronParrot's posts are guaranteed to be 100% intelligent and/or sarcastic, comprising no genetically modified content and tested on no cute furry little animals unless the SPCA is looking elsewhere. If you observe a failure to uphold this warranty, please contact a forum administrator immediately to receive a full refund on your Entmoot registration. Blog: Nick's Café Canadien |
09-30-2001, 09:03 PM | #7 | |
Elf Lord
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: St. Louis, Mo. USA
Posts: 561
|
Re: What is Gollum?
Quote:
__________________
Ringbearer Hide Witch, hide! The Good Folks come to burn thee! Their keen enjoyment hid behind A Gothic mask of duty! |
|
10-01-2001, 05:32 PM | #8 | |
Elf Lord
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: California
Posts: 60,865
|
Welcome!
Quote:
__________________
Falmon -- Dylan |
|
10-01-2001, 06:16 PM | #9 |
Best Ex-Administrator ever
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Ireland
Posts: 60,547
|
It was a bit hard to judge Gollums height, because he was always crouching and crawling. I don't really know much about hobbit families, except their names. Stoors, Harfoots and Fallowhide.
|
10-01-2001, 06:32 PM | #10 |
Elf Lord
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: California
Posts: 60,865
|
I think there's a passage in Shelob's Lair which says Sméagol was slightly taller than Sam. Hobbits at the end of the Third Age were generally three to four feet tall. Males seldom exceeded four feet, females I think seldom exceeded three. So there couldn't have been a very large difference in height between Hobbits of the same sex, as we would see it.
Sam seems to have been Harfootish, who were the shortest and smallest of Hobbit Races. I imagine Gollum would be between (say) 3'3 and 3'6, but that's just a guess.
__________________
Falmon -- Dylan |
10-01-2001, 08:23 PM | #11 |
Sapling
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Edison
Posts: 5
|
yup yup..
i read hobbit first. and i am readin two towers. i just started reading. just gotta read return of the king then i'm done... i have simillarion but i didn't read it.. hehehe okiesabe.. now that you learned more than you need to know. hehe.. oh yea. and thanks for clearing all dat up. |
10-03-2001, 11:35 PM | #12 |
Elven Warrior
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Lothlorien
Posts: 216
|
I wonder if he was taller than merry or pippin though? they were suppose to the be the tallist hobbits in history, for more info about Gollum, check out Gollum's Lair
__________________
"When evil people come to destroy me, when my enemies and foes attack me, they will stumble and fall. Though a mighty army surrounds me, my heart will know no fear." -Psalms 27:2-3 -Dare you venture into Gollum's Lair? JESUS LIVES! |
10-04-2001, 02:30 AM | #13 |
Elven Warrior
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Farthest Khand, the darkest East...
Posts: 442
|
Interestingly, Smeagol could swim, and swimming was considered normal for Hobbits of the Great River. At the end of the Third Age, Hobbits seem to have lost their affinity for water, boating, swimming, etc. (though not for bathing, fortunately). They seem rather scared of it.
Wonder when Hobbits became hydrophobic and afraid of being immersed in water? Did the Necromancer of Mirkwood do something that scared the Hobbits silly? Or raids by the Easterlings, so that boating and swimming became dangerous? |
10-04-2001, 05:03 PM | #14 |
Elf Lord
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: California
Posts: 60,865
|
Well, you can still find Hobbits at the end of the Third Age who were used to water. The Bucklanders were boaters, as Merry points out to Celeborn before they start their adventure on the Great River.
__________________
Falmon -- Dylan |
10-05-2001, 02:43 AM | #15 |
Elven Warrior
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Farthest Khand, the darkest East...
Posts: 442
|
Here's a strange thought. Merry is a Brandybuck, descended from the Oldbucks, a wealthy and rather old family.
Smeagol's family was rich. Both families aren't afraid of rivers and boats and can swim (maybe for Merry). I wonder if Gollum and Merry are distant relatives? |
10-05-2001, 05:44 AM | #16 |
Elven Warrior
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Arcadia, CA
Posts: 221
|
As you know, LoTR spawned many, many fantasy/mythology books which used its ideas (Elves, Dwarves, Orcs, Dragons etc as they are portrayed). I personally think that the Kobold is the incarnation of Gollum. It is a small creature, same size as the hobbit, which lives in orc settlements and scavenges their rubbish. They deal in poison. Small and black. It looks a lot like the Gollum in the movie.
Hmm, I'm ranting. Just wanted to brought that up. |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Why wasn't Gollum turned into a wraith? | CAB | Middle Earth | 98 | 06-27-2006 05:41 PM |
Why Pippin says 'gollum, gollum' to Grishnakh | Lotesse | Lord of the Rings Books | 23 | 05-11-2006 11:55 AM |
Ask Gollum | Elessar the Elfstone | Lord of the Rings Movies | 28 | 08-12-2005 04:13 PM |
Gollum | zavron | Middle Earth | 8 | 12-13-2002 05:48 PM |
Some questions about Gollum | SilvaRanger | Lord of the Rings Books | 17 | 02-18-2001 07:19 PM |