04-04-2004, 09:27 PM | #1 |
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Grima Cries!
Ok, if this is old news to anyone at all I apologizes but I was watching the TT extended when I got to the scene where Saurumon is unleashing his army. He says, "To war!!!!!!!!" Then it flashes to Grima and you see a small tear run out of his (if your facing the tv)right eye. I went back and looked at three times!! It is a tear! Why was the rat/snake crying? I can kind of see why but...it still doesn't make much sense. Anyway I just found that and I thought it was interesting and I didn't think I'd seen it mentioned anywhere on the Entmoot.
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04-05-2004, 04:28 AM | #2 |
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I thought that it was because of Eowyn. Saruman is unleashing his army to go attack Helms Deep with orders to leave no-one alive. Eowyn is at Helms Deep, so Grima will probably think that she's going to be killed and of course he 'loves' her. At least that's the reason that always comes to my head when I'm watching the movies.
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04-05-2004, 05:30 AM | #3 |
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I took the tear as a sign that GrĂ*ma wasn't thoroughly evil. When he saw Saruman's huge army and realized how much destruction the army would be able to cause, he just couldn't hold back his tears.
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04-05-2004, 01:10 PM | #5 |
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There was a thread (or at least a discussion in some thread) about this a while back. My opinion was the same as Lalaith Elf's. I feel very confident that the only one he felt sorry about was Eowyn (in terms of what had been laid out earlier in the movie).
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04-05-2004, 01:39 PM | #6 |
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Well, IMHO, Grima's eyes were just watering, because in Brad Dourif's prtrayal, his eyes are very watery the whole time!
But maybe I'm wrong!
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04-05-2004, 06:55 PM | #7 |
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I think he was allergic to orcs. He didn't know until then that they were there so they may have triggered a psychophysiological response.
Either that or they were trying to show he was somehow an unwilling puppet of Saruman and was released momentarily from his control while the Orcs were being riled by the wizard. Possibly he was now of no futher use to anyone. Self pity, self-loathing ang despair as he stared into the abyss of his future. or the allergy thing.
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Tears of joy?
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04-05-2004, 07:18 PM | #9 |
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Well, I'd be crying as well, if I saw an army of that size wearing no pants.
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04-05-2004, 07:38 PM | #10 |
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Tears of joy, BoP?
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04-05-2004, 08:09 PM | #11 |
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i thought it was because Saruman
made him cook the dinner, and he was chopping onions at the time saruman 'Grima...' grima 'i'm busy!' s 'GRIMA!!' g 'coming, coming!' s 'look at my army, i made it all myself!' g 'very nice dear, now can i finish making dinner?' s 'Huh! never a moment for me, if it weren't for me, you'd still be at meduseld, waiting on theoden' g 'yes dear, i'm sorry' |
04-05-2004, 09:02 PM | #12 |
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LOL you just might have something there...
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04-05-2004, 09:27 PM | #13 |
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Maybe they cut out the scene where Saruman tells Grima he never really loved him and was just using him.
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04-05-2004, 10:31 PM | #16 |
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Well the reason that I have come up with for the most part, is that Grima was not totally evil, he was part of the Rohirric race, he was born and raised there in Rohan. And he felt that connection with the Rohirrim, even if he has been twisted by Saruman, and at the realization that ALL of Rohan was to be destroyed, including Eowyn, (as previously mentioned) was such a shock to him and it overwhelmed him to the point that he couldn't keep back all the tears.
But thats just my personal opinion...
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It was just a movie. He didn't cry in the book. *still waiting for Blackbreathalizer to reappear*
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Like I said...watery eyes!
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04-08-2004, 08:05 PM | #19 |
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I saw the tear too. I've always liked that part. What I think it signifies is his cold heart crying for tears of "joy". In the same manner that one would cry hearing his/her national anthem/seeing a manned-shuttle launch, etc. (whatever gives you the chills), this is his sick way of displaying his emotion. Sort of like a proud moment for him as an evil being. I know this probably doesn't make sense, but I'm having a hard time trying to describe the way I think he's feeling.
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thats what i was thinking to because if he was crying out of self pity or something he would probably wipe it away right away so not to look weak to saruman if he turned around, i was figuring it was just an overwhelming thing
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