03-20-2003, 02:26 PM | #1 |
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im reading the sil for the 2nd time and was wondering how you pronounce the e as in manwe and ingwe and finwe?
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Look in the back of the book.
The Silmarillion - Notes on Pronunciation. Quote:
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Manwe, Pronunciation: ma'nweh soo'limoh
Ingwe, Pronunciation: ee'ngweh Finwe, Pronunciation: finwe'h Got that from the Encylopedia of Arda
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Unlike in English, the last 'e' of a word is pronounced in Quenya.
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Re: pronunciation
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The Silmarillion The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (Appendix E) I am not aware of any pronunciation help in any of the other books, but I don't own all of them. You can also go to www.ardalambion.com for "The tongues of Arda". There is a tutorial for Quenya and Sindarin, as well as other languages of ME. Anor caluva tielyanna! |
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03-21-2003, 04:52 PM | #7 |
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manwe = man-way
ingwe = ing-way finwe = fin-way That's always how I've pronounced them, plus, check out the notes on pronounciation (they say to pronounce the 'e').
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I've always thought it's pronounce as :
Manve, Ingve and Finve. IN Hebrew you can't know if it's v or w, because there is no letter for 'w', and the inveters of the hebrew language had to pronounce this letter somehow. They chose the letter that says 'v' too... that what I tought until I saw the English names. |
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Manwë is not pronounced like english "-way". The ë should be pronounced. Everything is pronounced like it's written in Quenya, and it should (I think) be pronounced like "Manve[h]". I think (but I'm not sure...) that the w in earlier Quenya later became v...
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Elvedans I listened to the movie in the part where Galadriel in giving Frodo the Phial, she says 'This is the light of Earendil, our most beloved star'. It's hard to catch but I finally got it.
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I know it's supposed the be pronounced 'e' but I always end up pronouncing it 'ey' (as in they or whey).
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make an open pucker with mouth but with the lower lip slightly protruded, like you're going to say oooooh... now try to make an "H" sound with an "ooooo" after it. That is a "W" sound. It's Man-Weh, not Man-Veh. The "e" has the little dots over it to remind you to pronounce it. It is and "e" as in the English word "end" like -eh. Last edited by Ruinel : 03-21-2003 at 09:17 PM. |
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Yeah, that's what I thought.
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I hear it a little different. I don't know.
I say Eh-ah-ren-dil, Earendil Like Eh-o-wyn, Eowyn If I'm not right, o well, I like the way it sounds. I will give credit to the movie, they did search out for someone who know it really good. The E at the beginning of Eowyn and Eomer is the same that I use at the end of Manwe.
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if they're pronouncing Airendil, they're misspronouncing it.
the pronunciation of both sindar and quenya is very close to Spanish (and most latin languages). man-way, ing-way... it's also incorrect. Dunedain and Melko Belcha put the right pronunciations, but have in mind that the "h" doesn't sound.
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Actually, she managed to pronounce it Ërendil!
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